Imagine a world where the unexpected can lead you down a whole new career path, and you're more than ready to embrace it. That's exactly what our guest, Jason Rojas, experienced when he transitioned from a 20-year career as a massage therapist to the fascinating world of IT and cybersecurity. In this riveting episode, we not only hear about Jason's incredible journey but also explore the challenges of learning a new career path and the importance of having a strong support system.
Did you know that hands-on learning can be crucial for those with OCD and ADHD? We dive deep into this topic, sharing personal experiences and discussing how hands-on learning has been a key factor in our success. Furthermore, we discuss the importance of soft skills in the IT and cybersecurity industries and how they can sometimes be more valuable than technical education.
As we wrap up this episode, we take a moment to ponder the significance of finding your 'why.' Having a strong enough reason to pursue your goals can make or break your success, especially when faced with obstacles along the way. We also touch on the importance of giving back to the community and embracing our cyber warrior family. Don't miss out on this inspiring conversation with Jason Rojas and the chance to win some amazing TryHackMe vouchers for our live viewers!
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Imagine a world where the unexpected can lead you down a whole new career path, and you're more than ready to embrace it. That's exactly what our guest, Jason Rojas, experienced when he transitioned from a 20-year career as a massage therapist to the fascinating world of IT and cybersecurity. In this riveting episode, we not only hear about Jason's incredible journey but also explore the challenges of learning a new career path and the importance of having a strong support system.
Did you know that hands-on learning can be crucial for those with OCD and ADHD? We dive deep into this topic, sharing personal experiences and discussing how hands-on learning has been a key factor in our success. Furthermore, we discuss the importance of soft skills in the IT and cybersecurity industries and how they can sometimes be more valuable than technical education.
As we wrap up this episode, we take a moment to ponder the significance of finding your 'why.' Having a strong enough reason to pursue your goals can make or break your success, especially when faced with obstacles along the way. We also touch on the importance of giving back to the community and embracing our cyber warrior family. Don't miss out on this inspiring conversation with Jason Rojas and the chance to win some amazing TryHackMe vouchers for our live viewers!
Merch: https://cyberwarriorstudios.com/store
Youtube: https://youtube.cyberwarriorstudios.com
Twitch: https://twitch.tv/CyberWarriorStudios
Twitter: @CyberWarriorSt1
Discord: https://discord.gg/eCSRzM6mJf
And we're back with another amazing episode of Security Happy Hour. That's right, it is me, the Cyber Warrior. This is Cyber Warrior Studios, and we got an amazing show planned for you today, because not only not only do we have an amazing guest and we're going to talk about some very important topics, but we got a huge giveaway today. But here's the kicker For the giveaway people have to be watching live. It's the only way to win, because there are going to be ways and tricks to it, saying that guess what? Oh, we got 10 TriHackMe vouchers to give away, so it's going to be amazing, but you've got to be here. So share the stream, like and comment on all the other fun jazz if you're watching this after, but share this right now for everybody watching. Let's get more people in here so that when we get it off and running, that give away is a comment. Hang with me and I'll be right back.
Speaker 1:And we're back, and that's right. Hold on, hold on. There it is the official sound Security happy hour kicking off and we are in it to win it. And with me I have my amazing guest this evening, jason Rojas. Jason, how you doing this evening, brother?
Speaker 2:I'm doing great, my man. I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:You know what? this whole family, the warrior family that we have established, from Andrea to Adrian, to Misha, to Javier James, Kari, is that your wife in the chat today? I got a sale. Rojas, that's there. Oh yeah, yeah, that's the old lady, Aha.
Speaker 1:Okay her shout out Nice, we got Natalie in the house, so all the warriors are showing up. Let's keep sharing. Let's get more people in here, because in order to win, you got to be here, you got to be in chat. It's the way the party rolls this evening. I was saying that, jason, before we get started and we talk about the topic at hand because we all know forced transitions can be difficult give us a little rundown, a little back story on how you got into IT and cybersecurity.
Speaker 2:Well, let's see, the pandemic was a wonderful thing to force me into. I was actually. my back story is I was actually a massage therapist for 20 years. So I was doing that. I was working at a place called Stretch Lab and I told my wife you know I'm thinking of a change, you know, body's kind of breaking not necessarily breaking down, but it's like. You know, i can only do this for so long. I'm mid 40s. It's like, okay, do I really want to keep doing massage? and then the pandemic happens. Everything shut down.
Speaker 2:I was working at a place for three weeks, literally three weeks, doing massage and they finally said, nope, the world lost its mind. So I decided, okay, what's stable out there? And I had not listened to the best piece of advice. You know of the sage wisdom of the old man My dad told me for years get into IT, get into computers, you know. So I did. I finally listened, i went to, i did my computer career and I got some great information. I learned a lot. It's honestly been the best transition. It's taken a little bit, but you know you definitely, you definitely learn a lot about yourself as you're going along the way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely for sure, And that's, you know, a big kicker. Anybody that's transitioning later in their career is always going to have some roadblocks and some stumbling blocks and things like that that they're going to have to overcome. So, being able to accomplish that and get to where you're at today and I know you've still got some growing to do I know you're still trying to make your way And I'm sure you were really successful as a massage therapist but now, kind of transitioning, you're kind of, you know, at one of those points in and that's where your support system comes in, like your wife and things like that. That's like, all right, we're going to have to take a hit, or I might have to go to work or I might have to do something, but we'll make it work until we can get to where we want to be.
Speaker 2:No, absolutely. It definitely is a humbling experience, like you said. you know I was. I was at a point in my career like you said I was I was definitely doing good things. you know I was working and I loved what I do. It was easy And you know I definitely have helped a lot of people. like you know, you touch people's lives in real ways and you're like I never imagined that right, doing, doing just physical touch and being there for somebody, even just listening, and just the humbling aspect of changing and now, okay, i'm not at the top where I used to be And I, you know, don't like that aspect of not necessarily knowing everything and being good instantly right. You know it definitely. it definitely makes you take a step back and take stock and be like okay, just take your time, let's work through it, keep, keep plugging away.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely. So, before we dig it any further, we need to come up with a hashtag this evening for us to do this giveaway. Because here's how it runs Y'all put the hashtag in the chat, in the live chat That's the reason you got to be here It goes into my system and then, at the intervals, i will select random names, we'll put them on the screen and we will select people. So, jason, give us a hashtag to put into the chat this evening to use for this giveaway.
Speaker 2:Let's see. Let's see what we got. Let's see what we got.
Speaker 1:What are you thinking? What are you thinking? I put it in the chat, Oh you put it in the private chat, all right, all right, hashtag next generation All right.
Speaker 2:Hashtag next generation people.
Speaker 1:So I will put that up on the screen. You will then put this into the chat and this is how you get entered into a chance to win TriHackMe vouchers. So let's do this And there it is. Hashtag next generation, throw it out into the chat, hold on Timeout. Let me put it here That way they actually know Next generation. I'll just start doing that Start collecting comments.
Speaker 1:We got four entries so far, so we do have time to give away. Make sure that you just bring more people in. Let's get this drawing up and I'll let it run for a little while Probably about a half hour or so and then we'll do the drawing. Now, saying that Whole topic in this conversation is transitions, and forced transitions at that, because we know there are times in our lives where certain things force us to have to reevaluate what we are doing. You have your own situation.
Speaker 1:So, between the pandemic and everything else going on, you had the advantage of your debt Where he kind of told you we might want to do this, you might want to get an IT is the next big thing, but it was still a forced transition. You still had to find something new to do. How was it dealing with that? dealing with the situation of the shutdown for the pandemic? And now I got to find a way to work and bring in money, and I don't know shit about you know IT at this point in time, except for what you had learned on your own, probably previously, fixing computers or doing whatever you did. So how was that transition and how did you kind of you know work your way through it?
Speaker 2:You know, i honestly didn't know very much to begin with. I mean, i knew enough from video games, i knew enough from messing around with America online and computers then right, but I didn't really know like all the transition stuff and all the networking and the UDP and the TCP and the ports and all this other shit, right, it was like that was, that was like almost information overload and a couple, you know, some of the days it was like wow, i don't, i don't think I can do this, i can't study anymore, i can't look at another computer screen, you know, trying to learn another hundred different acronyms that mean three different things for three different acronyms. So it just was, it just was, you know, just one of those things where you had to say you know what I got to throw myself into it. I can't just not do it, you know. And, like you said, i mean I couldn't go back to certain things, like definitely didn't want to go back to massage because there was so many stipulations and so many regulations now because of COVID that you have to go through. That just didn't make it safe for the client, let alone you.
Speaker 2:Like I was trying to go work for a place and my wife, sarah. She's even a massage therapist. We went to go interview for this place and they were going to have us clean with this stuff that was so cost it D that you couldn't leave it on the paint long enough for it to like do anything because it would peel the paint. But yet you want me to clean with this on the table, the face cradle and all this other shit and then layer upon layer and eventually, you know, the client suffocates because they can't breathe, right? So you know it just made more sense to come to a new, to a new area that was going to be way more secure, you know, way more stable and have way more longevity down the road. I mean, i could keep doing this for another 30 years, right, you know. So it just it was one of those come to, come to terms with the end of a career and you know this is the next chapter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, And I think that's one of the biggest things. Right, you know, i've got a friend right now in chat. You know me and her have been talking offline and trying to do a lot of different things and I look at the pandemic the same way. I do look at, like, injuries right, i'm broken. Now I'm lucky enough that I can kind of handle the pain and you know, don't get me wrong, beer helps when I'm doing this show, hey, but I'm broken. I can't do manual labor, like I couldn't go be in construction or anything like that. And I've got a friend that used to do blue collar work that is now like I need something because she's broken. And so you have to look at these four transitions like how do I make a career out of something when I'm so used to doing something else, when this is something that I've loved doing? Now I've got to find something new that interests me and things of that nature.
Speaker 1:But you said it right in the beginning in IT and in cybersecurity, especially when you're learning these foundations, the acronyms and let's be honest, it and cyber comes from military. They're the ones that have, like, developed everything. So acronyms are huge in our industry And so even me, coming from the military, struggled with some of the acronyms. I got people throwing shit out there that I'm just like homie, what's, what's what? what are you saying? Like I don't, I don't know that one. Can you please explain? And I've been in this field, you know, 15 plus years, 20 years.
Speaker 1:So it's one of those things that you look at And it is. It's one of those you have to come to terms with. Okay, a, i can't do what I used to do And it sucks. I really wish I could, but we got to close that chapter of our life. We have to. We have to close that chapter and move on to the next. So what's this next one going to be? And when you look at that next chapter, you can choose to embrace it or you can let it beat you down.
Speaker 1:And as we embrace these things, i'm not going to say and I got another friend here right now who said he couldn't do digital forensics as a job He does it for fun at a hobby and he loves it as a job I think I'd hit it. You ain't wrong man. I'm not going to say that, chris. So I look at it as you have to be able to Just understand that it's going to be a new. You have to love what you do. It's gonna be a new chapter, but you have to love what you do.
Speaker 1:And so for my friends and those that are in, you know the pagan community and the pagan project that I've been dealing with recently, you know I've talked a lot about it. You know just coming together as a community, that is what we're trying to do there and what I've been doing with cyber warrior studios for so long. And Guess what? I'm gonna help you find a way now. If you don't enjoy it, i'm not gonna tell you to stick around. I'm gonna help you learn it. I'm gonna do the best I can to help you get through it. But if, at the end of the day, you realize, you know what, this just isn't for me And that's cool, because you're gonna hate your life if you do something that you don't want to do like you're working a job and you hate it.
Speaker 1:You're gonna be miserable, and I never want that for people.
Speaker 2:Well, you don't want to live with that resentment of did I make the right choice? Am I doing this just for the money? right? I've actually gotten caught in that trap where I was Working with the company I am now and I jumped ship to go to another place just for the money, just because It was gonna help the family out. You know You don't want to. You don't want to look back and say, wow, i did that for the wrong reason or I'm not in this because you know, i know it's gonna be good for me.
Speaker 2:You know, like you said, the force transition or whatever it is, you know you can't do what you used to do. You know I mean I could have gone back into the restaurant business, gone in the kitchen, slave the way for six, eight hours in the kitchen, done a bunch of stuff or weighted tables, but you know it takes away from the family. That's not as, that's not as consistent. Right, there's there's a part of the evolution and the adaptation of growth and the experience that comes with. You know, being at my point in life, you know you got to say okay, what? what's really gonna benefit me in the long run? What's gonna help my family, what's gonna be a good example for the kids.
Speaker 2:And you know how can I be a benefit to the community? I tell you, man, i'm when I found, when I found you, and That I think it was like the first couple weeks you actually asked me to be on the show and I'll be honest, i was like I don't, i don't, i don't know. But now, after watching you and seeing you know How you carry yourself and everybody that's in this, in your world, i'm I'm glad I did, i'm glad I didn't jump out and say you know what, i'm just gonna do my own thing. You know it makes a huge difference when you have people saying come on, come with me. You know, yeah, you're old and you're learning, but you know come with me.
Speaker 1:I hope my dad passes CEH at 50 some years old, like I Was in the army, and he is like, hey, i need to do something new. I'm gonna go through college and let's go to this, you know certification program together and I let's go and I help Them to get through that. Age means nothing. Race, gender, sex, whatever, i, whatever you want to put on, it means absolutely nothing to me.
Speaker 1:There is a reason I Refer to everybody as warriors and it's because guess what to be in this industry and how? just to survive in this world, you have to fight every single day. But you got to love what you do, because the moment you don't love what you do, not only you've beaten yourself down because, oh, i gotta get up and go to work in the morning. Then you're taking that stress, that anxiety, all that home with you and now at home, especially for yourself. Jason, myself, i got a wife and five kids, and you know other everybody else in chat, whether you're alone or got kids or got a spouse or whatever The case may be, you're taking that home with you. So that's stressing, that anxiety is weighing on you ever even more. We have enough issues with depression and anxiety and mental health right now, especially in our industry, with burnout.
Speaker 1:You don't need to hate your job too, because it just adds on top of everything else, and so that's that's why these force transitions. You have to really enjoy it. You have to enjoy. I hate documentation. Anyone want to do that for me? I don't, because I hate documentation to Griffin, but I'm sure there's someone out there that loves it. I believe I've had them on the show.
Speaker 2:I don't mind documentation, you know, i like writing a story. I like being thorough. If being in this industry being like working at the data center. I like being the remote hands, because I'm actually racking in, stack and I'm doing things I like. I like the OCD part of like Putting a server in and cabling and making sure it's all looking nice, because you know. You know how it is when you're in the data center. You, whoever the stooge was before you, all of a sudden you got noodles and can we burn this thing down? Can we start over? Did?
Speaker 1:you see Kev text post. I think it was like today or yesterday. Oh, i don't know if you put it on LinkedIn, so it was definitely on Twitter. I don't know if it was on LinkedIn. It's that old-school one where you have the data center and it's just all these yellow cables that are just like it literally just looks like Like a wall yellow.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you're looking at it, going no, and the whole joke was hey, we're gonna go tell Joe He's gonna go and have to fix this cable. And you're looking at it and it's like I told Kev. I was like yo, dude, i'm gonna say okay, i'm gonna go in there, i'm gonna go to sleep, i'm gonna come back out and like I couldn't find it, sorry.
Speaker 2:That or there's gonna be a structure, accidental structure fire Right.
Speaker 1:I might just take something, throw something metal and like a socket or something, real quick, let it all go on fire, it'll be alright.
Speaker 1:But, yes, it's crazy. So You know for you and in your situation, i think you you kind of got lucky right because your dad had already pushed you and kind of said I'd see was the thing. So for those that during the pandemic or because they're broken, that are looking and transitioning, you know how, how can they go about finding their way? How can they go about really figuring out, a whether or not this is for them, and, if and B, how do you even get to that point?
Speaker 2:You know, that's a great question. Honestly, if I were to tell like, say, for example, i don't know my son And he, i have a son who's 20. If he were to say, dad, you know, what am I gonna do. You know, I don't want to do this, i don't know that. Or what do you do? So get on YouTube, get on LinkedIn, start watching some videos, start checking out some people, see what they do.
Speaker 2:Like you know, network check is funny, motherfucker, and he is nothing but entertainment. But he's got a wealth of information. He can make it, he can give you, you know, a Direction, will follow me watching you. I mean, you could definitely give somebody, you know, that inspiration, that motivation to be like okay, what do you want to do? You know? I would say, you know, just Find your interest, if it's it, if it's, you know, be a gardener, being the best landscaper, you know.
Speaker 2:Whatever Selling solar panels, find, find what it is you want to do if it's in this industry, find that niche, because I tell, i tell my other son Is, i will, dad, you're in it. What do you? what do you want? Well, it is this huge umbrella And you got all these little fingers dangling down like lights, like you know, those icicle Christmas lights. Okay, you can do this, you can do this, you this, you can do this, you can do this, you can find your way. You just got to, you know, find that little nugget and that little crumb that says, hmm, okay, i like that. What? let's go down that rabbit hole and see what comes up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you know, you just got to find what speaks to you, you know so let me ask you a question Do you have either diagnosed or undiagnosed ADHD or OCD or anything like that?
Speaker 2:I can't confirm or deny your allegations, sir.
Speaker 1:I only ask because I I swear, i do, i swear I've undiagnosed ADHD, especially when it comes to learning like from a book, and I've discussed this on previous episodes, because I have an entire bookshelf two bookshelves actually, actually. It's filled with one, two, three, so technically, three shelves are full of computer books, and this is how it ends up. I start reading squirrel, find another great So reading squirrel, find another book.
Speaker 1:I Have yet to make it through an entire book, with the exception of Linux basics for hackers, and the only reason I made it through that book was because I did a video series on it and had to finish it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:That's the only reason why.
Speaker 2:I'm good about finishing books. I have more of the obsessive, compulsive. Okay, it's got to be exact. No, i can't know.
Speaker 1:no, No, I'm right.
Speaker 2:Yep, oh my god. If it like, if something's out of place like the wife, she'll tell you yeah, no, he has ADHD. But at the same time my OCD is like.
Speaker 1:There we go. He is very OCD I.
Speaker 2:Love you babe.
Speaker 1:So what I need to do is I just need to have you over to my house. You can come walk into my basement.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:At all.
Speaker 2:For this I would have gone into house cleaning. People would be like paying me buckets of money. I Love cleaning my mother's. My mother Instilled it in me like she would have us cleaning on the hands and knees with scrub brush. What 409 spray and Toothbrush in the grout and everything else military, whatever right you got to get the job done.
Speaker 1:But it is, and so that's why I look at things. And so we've got my friend diagnosed ADHD visual, hands-on Conversion learner. A me too, i'm very visual and hands-on. That's how I learned. Also have a pile of partially read books, and that's the thing, right, learning on my own by books. I can't do it right, put me in a classroom, give me hands-on, give me something I could touch and feel and learn and grow All day. But if you sit here and tell me, oh, you got to watch this online, this video online, or you got to read this book, or just at there, i'm gonna look at it and go.
Speaker 2:What's going on on Twitter today?
Speaker 1:Oh you know, let me scroll through tick tock. Oh, let me go look up something different, like I can't it. Just my brain, just it just.
Speaker 2:No, i mean I in that aspect, yeah, like I, i definitely need hands-on. Like I got a small little lab on the laptop right now. I'm trying to get some money together to build a rig so I can have a little like actual home lab and stuff and Get some stuff together so I can actually start putting together my own little rack and stuff. You know, like you said, i mean you got to have that hands-on. You can't just be read, watch, read, watch and no, do you know It's. It goes hand-in-hand. You got to be able to put into practice the theory.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we got my friend Chris. My OCD is so bad. my money used to be facing the right way and in order from one to 100. Funny enough, mine was the same way For years. I learned how to do my money And then the way you folded money. if you didn't put it in a wallet, you would fold it with the ones out, because then if somebody went to take your or if you went to go pull out your money, it just looked like you had ones And so you could pull out whatever, but, yes, one all left to 100. Stacked neatly all the faces facing the exact same way and it's face forward. like I was so bad with that.
Speaker 2:One hundred percent Chris.
Speaker 1:My OCD would kick in with my Blue Rays, dvds and my games. They all had to be title and it couldn't be mixed. I couldn't do DVD, blue Ray game no, no, no, no. Dvds, then Blue Rays, then games or games came first, but either way, it was basically by age of what had come out. So if I, you know, dvds had been out for a while, but if I had another game that was like, or if I had a console that came out before DVDs, that console was before those DVDs, like in my mind. And so when I had kids, oh my God, so my oldest, not too bad, really didn't mess with my stuff, but as I had more, oh, yeah, I'd come home and my wife would be sitting there as my kids.
Speaker 1:Just I'm going, babe, she goes, oh it's fine, there's just no, babe, you don't understand what this does to me, cause you're going to sit there and you're just going to put them all back up there And I'm going to look at it and I'm going to lose my shit because they're not. I can't find anything, i don't know. No, so I'm going to have to go through and reorganize the entire thing. So that is my OCD is like. when it comes to my stuff, especially like anything I got to take care of games, computers, books that are mine. There's an order, There's a reason, there's a purpose. Everything has a place. Don't give me, start it on my desk. My desk is organized, chaos, but my things that are on a shelf, there's a reason for everything, absolutely.
Speaker 2:No, and I got one better for you. The closet is arranged by color. Like my closet is arranged by color. It goes white, yellow, blue, red or no. White yellow, orange, red, blue, gray, black and then pants.
Speaker 1:So initially mine was. I think my wife actually set it up that way for me. But then I'm lazy and I'm impatient and I hate putting clothes away. I have to despise it. So, like all my wife, i love my wife's death. She will sit there, do all the laundry, but she ain't gonna put your shit away. And put your clothes away I bet I will.
Speaker 1:I grab all the hangers, push everything aside, throw it up there, walk out, because I never left to look at it again until I need to go in there the next morning and find a new shirt. Then I'm just like, yep, this one will work, all right, cool. So for me, like I think about it and when I'm actually looking for things, yes, it frustrates me that I did not redo it all Because like, hey, let's say I'm looking for this hoodie or the t-shirt that I'm wearing or another t-shirt that I have, and I know what I wanna wear that day and I can't find it, oh, cool. So frustrating because I know I did it to myself, right, with one of those things where you're like I know I did this to myself. I'd love to yell at somebody. I might as well just go look in a mirror.
Speaker 2:Right, That's the same thing. You look around. who did this? Wait, that was me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. So, yeah, it's great. That's why I asked that, because it is, i think it's part of this community. I do, i think, part of the Cybertz community. I would venture a guest and this is just a random ass number, i'm just starting out there, but I would venture a guest. 87% of our community has some form of autism, adhd, ocd or something. They are on some type of mental spectrum somewhere, because we're all fucked up in the head. Every single one of us, in some way, shape or form, is fucked up in the head.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But that's what makes us perfect Exactly Is our imperfections. We're perfectly imperfect.
Speaker 1:Precisely, and you know what? We're the best damn people for the job.
Speaker 2:Hell yes, hell yes. I may be scattered brain, but you know what, when I get focused, we'll go.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's the biggest thing, man. My wife used to hate it Because I'd go there. I was going for my CPT Certified Pentester by IACRB, right, and they did kind of like what do you call it? Kind of like your LSEP. Only there wasn't a ton of machines, you had a month and it was hey, here's two boxes, find all the vulnerabilities, break in, get root, get system on both and write a report. And you had 30 days to do it. All right, bet.
Speaker 1:Every day, from the time the kids went to bed until I got way too tired to think, i was in front of that damn computer. And actually you're lucky if I waited until the kids went to bed. There were nights I'd literally come home from work instead of the computer. But I figured this shit out. I know this is what I need to use. Fucking work, fucking work. And my wife's like what is going on. I'm like this is supposed to work. I know this is what I need to do and it's not working Right, get away from me, boys, i'm not Right. She's like babe, you might want to say no, no, i'm gonna figure this out.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to bed yet, mom. I mean, babe, i'm not tired.
Speaker 1:Leave me alone.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you're gonna juice box.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna juice box. Put it in a beer can, so I think it's alcohol. Please, please, just put it in. Give me the juice. I don't need any more alcohol. Just put a juice box in a beer can. I'll be okay, my mind won't register.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna be able to drink a beer. I'm telling you, man, some days, you know, like you said, you want to just figure it out, You want to get it. You want to get into it so badly that sometimes it's better just to walk away, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we've talked, I've talked to people about that. You got to walk away. You have to Absolutely In all your education everything you've done Yeah, How many times has beaten your head against the keyboard actually worked It?
Speaker 2:doesn't, it doesn't.
Speaker 1:It honestly just works It has worked for you.
Speaker 2:Taking a break, going and doing something else, clearing your mind, like for me. When I can, i go play basketball. We have a school just down the road. I'll go shoot free throws for an hour by myself.
Speaker 2:You just got to go, you know, go fuck off, play video games, go, whatever you do. You know, go walk the dogs, go play house with the wife, whatever right, just take your mind off of it. Yeah, You know. But sometimes, you know, it's like a bad analogy Turner and Hooch when the girl he's dating says, you know, sometimes you just got to walk away from him and bam, it'll hit you. They're in the kitchen and he's like, oh my God, bam, it never happened before. It just hits like lightning, he goes up the house.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, you know, once you just relax and let go The worst part about it is for me is my brain kicks into overdrive at night, meaning I'll go to lay down in bed and this is why I have other things that I'm working on. But I'll go to lay down in bed and then all of a sudden, my brain goes hey, you thought you were going to sleep, no, no. No, that problem you've been having all day, right? I just figured it out for you, right? Do I get out of bed? do I go to the computer and actually do it?
Speaker 1:And I sit there and it just goes, goes, goes, goes, goes, And I'm like I really need to just, but I don't want to get out of bed because I'm comfortable. What the hell.
Speaker 2:See, I'm the opposite, I'll be when I, when I get to that point, it's like okay, I'm good If I'm, if I'm in it and I'll stay up. I'll be up till like I'm sure, like you, two, three in the morning, and then finally be like okay.
Speaker 1:Sometimes six in the morning and you're like shit, the sun's coming up Now. I got to go back to work.
Speaker 2:Now I don't get to get away from this. I got to keep going.
Speaker 1:Wife, been wife, been yelling at you all night. Babe, just get. It's like playing Call of Duty. Give me, give me five minutes. One more level, i promise Let me get one more level, it'll be okay.
Speaker 2:No, five minutes later, are you coming back to bed? Nope, i'm sorry, i'm not.
Speaker 1:Cyber dancer Danny in the house. Hey, cyber dancer, what?
Speaker 1:do you want to win One month Try hack me? hashtag next generation in the chat for all those that have joined later, and, as much as you know that whole, get you know when to give away. Again, it is what it is. If that's what you want to do, it's what you want to do, but hey, hashtag next generation. Throw that in chat and we'll get your chance to win one month of try hack me. I'd love to see Chris doing. I know who Christopher Jackson is, so I'd love to see him go back at try hack me, because good dude, good people. Otherwise, though, man, for those that are transitioning, hard it is. How did you face it as a? How did you mentally get through that whole transition of like I've got to close this chapter, like there's, i have no other options. This chapter has to close and I have to start a new one.
Speaker 2:You know, honestly, i was, i was ready for it, like I was looking for a reason, like I told my wife when I was still at this place stretch lab, you know. You know I want to. I've been hearing the commercials for my computer career a couple of times. You know it's always one of those things It comes on.
Speaker 2:You're like OK yeah but you're still in what you're doing. You're like, ok, i'm not ready for that yet. And then, when I was, when I was over a lifetime doing the massage and everything stopped, it's like, ok, this is This, is it, this is my, this is my now, this is this, is it. So when it came time to it, i was like, ok, well, we're going 100. It's not just oh. Well, we waited out, you know, whatever, it's time to get, it's time to get to the next phase.
Speaker 2:And I was honestly ready for it, like my wife. She tells me all the time I'm more in your career, more than you do, because you know I would give her massages every, you know, every so often. And I was just ready. So, you know, it wasn't really like a big oh, my God, i'm not going to be this anymore. I'm still that. You're always going to be. Whatever was you were before. You're just now moving into the next stage. Right, you know you can't take it as such a big loss of oh, my identity is in tied up in this. I mean, i love the way you praise that.
Speaker 1:I'm going to let you finish, not to cut you off. Well, you finished, but I love the way you said that about your identity, because me and Andrea had a conversation, not this past Wednesday, but the Wednesday before well, tuesday before and release on Wednesday about identity. So I love how you, i love how you stated that.
Speaker 2:I mean, it is who you were, It is who you are. It still is who you are. You know, i'm always going to be a massage therapist. I'm always going to be, you know, the guy that fixed problems. And they tell you in massage all the time You can't necessarily fix somebody, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can only, you know, get muscle to do so much. Well, i've fixed a few people in my time to where they actually come back to me and say I couldn't do this or I can now get back to normal life. Like I had a client in Colorado.
Speaker 2:She was hit by a drunk driver on her bicycle on a Saturday morning, had to have fusions to a couple of like a bunch of vertebrae. She had to wear like a full corset back brace. She'd come to see me. I mean I couldn't do anything on her for like the first month and a half And by the end, by the time she was healed, she had gotten up off of the table. You know I would work on her as like a pregnant woman, sideline pillows, all that stuff, because she couldn't lay face down. The last time I well, the last time I saw her at that lifetime, she got up, she said she was going to the bathroom. If anybody's been to a lifetime, they're huge. You got to walk down the hallway in front of you. Know, by all these membership people go down to the restrooms and locker rooms. She didn't notice. She didn't have her back brace on until she was on her way back.
Speaker 1:Damn.
Speaker 2:She gets back to me, She's like, oh my God, I don't have my back brace. Oh my God, are you okay? She's like, yeah, no, I feel great. But you know that's part of the identity, That's far of who I am And that's what I can bring as far as the experience, my identity, you know I can bring in that toolbox of what do I look for, What am I, what am I asking questions about? Because that's the biggest thing in IT and even cyber is you got to ask the right questions?
Speaker 1:Yeah. And the man says I was a sports rehab massage therapist years ago. I stand by. We fix people, absolutely No problems. You fix people because absolutely people are who, who are coming to you. You're not. You can't look at people as a resource and identity, a number or whatever. They're people. they're human beings, absolutely, and they're coming to you for a reason.
Speaker 2:Absolutely No 100. It's just, it's just like you know, when you're doing help desk, like Kev, you know that man, i mean he puts it, i mean he is the epitome of customer service, he is the epitome of caring what you about, what you do, and that person on the other line You know you got to, you got to bring that You know, and it just shows those who are going to be successful and those who are going to have that longevity.
Speaker 2:You know, like I said, you know you got to. You got to bring that curiosity and that, that, that skill set and that those soft skills.
Speaker 1:And I think that's huge right. Those soft skills, especially in IT and cybersecurity, are utterly they're. They're an utter necessity, they really are. And I think that can take you a lot further than any technical education will, because you figure, once you get to a certain point, your technical attitude doesn't necessarily matter. You have to know the lingo, you know, you need to know how to converse and know what you're talking about. But actually being able to do, eh, not necessarily. You just have to know how to like, comprehend and find the people that can do Right. So those soft skills should be growing in your repertoire.
Speaker 1:And I look at it this way unless you want to stay technical your entire career, the way your skill set should work out is, as your soft skills increase, your tech skills decrease, because by the time you get to that point in your career where you no longer can do hands on technical, you're in management, you're in, you know, director level and things like that. So the technical aspect you're no longer doing anyways, like, let's be honest, you're no longer doing it. So I look at this and we've got a question here from Misha, so we're definitely going to bring that up. I look at it this way is. We have a situation where so many people are transitioning into our career field. I think a lot of them, most of them, are by choice. The pandemic has caused a lot by force. How many that were forced to transition? do you think truly want to be in this field?
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I'm going to say give a percentage or an average, because we don't know numbers.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I'd like to say that everybody that's coming into this field because they had to, isn't it because they want to. You know, you see, and you read the LinkedIn's and you see the post from different stuff, from different places And it's like, ok, you know, you got all these boot camps and all these things talking about cybersecurity. You can make six figures. Come on, yeah, you can eventually.
Speaker 2:You know, it's very, very on where you live based on where you live, based on what you're doing, based on you know what technology you're going to be in. Sure, absolutely. But you don't start out. You know, coming out, get three certifications and make $9,500. I mean, you got to find the right company. You got to find that white whale.
Speaker 1:Yep, and Natalie says it here too You can be forced into something and still fall in love with it, and this is very true. This is what we're getting at is that? I think some were forced out of necessity Actually, many during the pandemic were forced out of necessity But because they don't have that love for it, that passion for it. They just saw all the advertisements and the boot camps and the quick trainings And, oh, we'll get you a job in three months. And this is a third Right. They don't actually love it, they're just doing it for the money. Or they thought it was going to be a quick win, right?
Speaker 2:But no, she brings up a good point. You know you can get into something and be like, wow, this is really tough. But you find that toughness brings something out of you. You know you get that fire. Like she said, you know you can grow to love it. It's something that you know. Once you, once you find that in you, you're like OK, i'm not, you could always take it as I'm not going to let this beat me if that's the case, but you can always, you know, make it your own. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2:You know, don't let it just don't let it just be something that you have to do, because now you need to keep a roof over your head, The kids need new AJs and you know can have steak every night.
Speaker 1:And that's and that's the kicker, right, you know I came. I've essentially worked in IT and worked shit jobs for my entire life, right, and up until recently I wasn't until 2000, i don't know, 20, roughly 2019 ish I didn't start making six figures till 2019. And, as you figure, i started by selling computers and then I got into desktop support and help desk and everything else, did join the military and we Lord knows the military don't fucking pay six figure a year, unless you're an officer and making you know. At that point you're not doing any work for a living.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So I wasn't an officer, actually worked for a living. And then you know you did that. I retired my first job out of the army. I was making sixty two thousand dollars a year as an IT risk manager.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So, technically, manager making sixty some thousand dollars a year. So yeah, your first jobs or your second jobs aren't necessarily going to be six figures, especially when you're first breaking in. You've got to be willing to take a pay cut, absolutely, you've got to be willing to You've got to start somewhere.
Speaker 2:You got to start somewhere. You know you, everybody's got to be that man. low man on the totem pole. There's a low man on the totem pole for a reason because you're the foundation. You're the guy that's got to start climbing and doing and clawing Right. If it were easy, everybody would do it. It's that old sports analogy, hi.
Speaker 1:Sarah. Oh, i mean, she was taller, as tall as the door. I figured it was Sarah, i mean.
Speaker 2:I don't know That's, that's an illusion. That's the camera angle. It has five.
Speaker 1:Oh, so she's not taller than you in real life.
Speaker 2:She wishes she was going to get above five too.
Speaker 1:So we do have a question here for Misha, and I love it because Misha is finally coming out of her shell and actually asking a lot of questions during these shows. She showed up last week.
Speaker 2:Yes, she did. Let's hear it, Misha.
Speaker 1:When you say, looking for a reason talking about when you were looking for a reason to transition or whatever kind of when you were looking for a reason to leave massage therapy What would you tell people when it's beyond looking for a change because you're mad at work, versus when it is needed for you?
Speaker 2:So if you're going to transition because you're mad at your industry, your job, your profession, that that really is something you got to get the hell out of the camera. Now that's the way, now that's the way.
Speaker 1:Hi, there, she is How you doing.
Speaker 2:This is my show lady, get the hell out If you're going to transition because you can't do this anymore, because if you see one more person come in here and treat you a certain way, you're going to go postal. You're probably not going to like being an IT because you're going to have people come in at you, talking to you a certain way and be like okay, i am actually not an idiot. Thank you very much. When you look for a reason, you got to look for your reason. You know it's. It's. It's the old adage of what's your why? Why are you going to change? Why are you looking for something else? What? what about this will bring you fulfillment? You know, is it just my happy dance? I see, brother, i see you word, man?
Speaker 1:What's your? why That, why matters? does that? why is gonna carry you through every fucking obstacle you face?
Speaker 2:because that one day, that why is an every day, that why is in today? Yep, you got to have your why, you got to have your reason to be like. You know what? I'm going to the office today. It may be a shit show, it may be on fire, but I'm going to the office today to go put something out.
Speaker 1:You may only have 20% to give, but if you give a hundred percent of that 20%, that's still more than other people are still 120%. So so it's one of those things you got to look at like. It's just very, very big, is very vital, and so it's all personal.
Speaker 2:It is. It's all personal. You know you, and I could say, hey, this is my why, this, this should be your, why. You know you want the kids to have certain Out. You know outcome you want to have a certain house, you want to be able to provide certain things, you want to have certain things. But you know, when it comes down to it, everybody's why is different.
Speaker 1:It's like a fingerprint yep, and It's all individual and so It's like I talk about and I love it because I got it down here. I'm Asia put it up because she listens to my other podcast. You know what's your why. It's all about Your path, your journey, everything about you, and that's what I think we get away from right.
Speaker 1:When we look at things like this career, transitioning or anything along those lines, already them in life in general, we want to kind of align ourselves to somebody else.
Speaker 1:We want to say, oh, i want to be like this person, i idolize this person, this person's my hero and da, da, da, da, da. When the reality of it is, it is your journey, it is your path, it is your trail to walk. So your why has to be strong enough to get you over that obstacle, whatever it is. It could be a damn mountain in front of you, but if you cannot climb it because your why is not strong enough, because you're gonna get Two feet up and like I'm tired, i can't do this shit no more Then guess what your why isn't strong enough? We need to figure out what the hell your why is, because that isn't gonna cut it. We're gonna keep on pressing and I'm gonna push your ass up, but you need to help your why needs to be strong enough so that when I do kick you in the ass, you go up another 30 yards, like that's the way it needs to be, absolutely and so that's why your why is so vital for when you're transitioning?
Speaker 1:Why are you transitioning And not necessarily why are you transitioning? Why are you choosing the industry you're choosing to go into?
Speaker 2:Why did this? why did this resonate with you? Why is this where you want to put your energy, your time, you know your effort into what? why? Why is this your place? You know correct, where do you want to go with this? Yeah, that's, that's another question, you know you. I mean you can go through the whole Who, what, why, when, where, how. But realistically it's got to be because you want to. You know, a thousand mile journey starts with a step.
Speaker 1:If you're an elephant, One bite at a time. Yeah, I heard daddy. I heard that years ago and it still sticks with me to this day.
Speaker 2:It's true, it's true. I mean, you can come up with a number of adages, right like there's a, there's a favorite. One of mine is like an old Japanese adage, and you know, a guy's talking to a Karate sensei why are you teaching me how to be a warrior? blah, blah, blah. Or why are you teaching me Marshall, alex? what when I'm gonna use this? well, wouldn't you rather be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war?
Speaker 1:And as, but that goes back to a lot of things when you look at it. I Would rather have and not need the need to not have absolutely. Absolutely so. We have another very important question here from Esha. And who? Who? she got another one. She's on fire. Oh, this one, who? this one will touch home, speaking of taking a pay cut, what you say to people who can't afford to take a pay cut but want to get into the field.
Speaker 2:That. That's. That's a tough one. That's. That's gonna be one of those. That's gonna be one of those gut checks. That's gonna be about the desire. How bad do you want it? Do you want it bad enough that you're gonna take that pay cut and go do a side hustle, go do some door dash, go do some insta cart, go wait tables, go, you know, wash windows, whatever right Are you willing to put in the work? That's a. That's another part of the why. That's another part of the. Looking in inside and you know, just turning it inside and saying, okay, is it? am I, is this worth it? Am I worth doing this? am I worth taking this pay cut and putting in the blood, sweat and tears? That? That's really what I got. that's what I would tell anybody and that's the thing right.
Speaker 1:So when we look at this, you have to look at it from a sense of what is your future outlook, and William Bailey, my buddy here, who's been on the show before, is your current field of dead end. So taking a pay cut now is worth it in the long term, and that's the way I envision it right. So you know, when I got out of the army I ain't gonna lie I was like oh, i've got all these certifications, i got all this, i'm gonna make it up. You making six figures easy, like there's no problem. And I just shit didn't happen. It took two jobs in a race to finally get there, and So it took me three or four years Retired out of the army. It took me four years from retiring to finally hit six figures, and that's with My CIS, sp, my degree, a bunch of other certifications. I had the goddamn alphabet, like you name it. I had it and still I was not making six figures. It took me about four years after retiring.
Speaker 1:So When people look at this, i get it. It's gonna look bleak and you're gonna be like shit, i can't afford this. Guess what I hate to say it cut your Netflix, cut your Hulu, cut your peacock, cut your cable, keep your internet because you need that to actually do your job, absolutely but cut everything you can and live at the bare minimum. And, misha, you should notice, you should be able to live at the bare, bare, bare minimum because, mean, you have discussed this before And I know where you come from, girl, if you can't live in a woods, we got issues mean, you're gonna have another further conversation, but You know it's one of those things where You should be able to cut back until you get to where you want to be.
Speaker 1:Once you get comfortable, i am finally at a point in my career now. So you figure 2017, it is now 2023. So six years Took me six years after retiring to be comfortable where I'm at. I finally have a house, i have a mortgage and I'm not looking at it going shit. Am I gonna be able to afford food this week?
Speaker 2:right.
Speaker 1:Like it took me that long? no, granted, i got a wife and five kids, so it took me a lot more money to get to that point. But I also had to cut back on a lot of things. There's things in this channel that I no longer do because I couldn't afford it Right, because I was looking at it going. I can't afford a hundred dollars a month on this, i can't afford $50 a month on this, i can't afford this on that right. So I had a look at it, was like, oh yeah, i'll be good. Like when I first thought, because I thought the money was gonna start coming in I had Thousand two thousand some subscribers. I thought buy me a coffee and all these things gonna roll in, and and it just never happened.
Speaker 2:I was like no, my dear guys.
Speaker 1:You should have waited till you had the money before you spent the money.
Speaker 2:Now you have that perspective of saying, okay, i'm glad I had I went through that because you had that little scare. And you know, when you look at it, like you said, six years I mean that that's a small price to pay for the sacrifice of that time. To now be where you are. That's, that's the, that's the other thing the return on investment of the sacrifice of what you're gonna need to do In order to be at a place where you can do what you want to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah for sure, and that's and that's it, and bill X said it And in Misha co-signed it sacrifice now for benefit later, and that's really ultimately what it comes down to. We're so materialistic as a society, it's all. I'm gonna step off of my cybersecurity soapbox for a minute. I'm gonna get to my walk with me soapbox, which is a great podcast. You haven't listened to it yet. Or catch the money on YouTube. Please go do 37 episodes out so far. You're gonna love it. But I Gotta do it, man. I gotta plug everything. But no, you know, we are so materialistic as a society. We, we got to have the coolest shit. We got to have the ps5s, the TVs, the, the Netflix, the internet, the Macbooks, the iPhones, the Galaxy, the newest phone, the newest everything, and, and. So we have decided that we're just gonna spend all our fucking money on bullshit.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I can't tell you how often I'm like you know, could I, could I do? I want that. Yeah, Do I need it? not necessarily do I have the money for it right now. No. So why am I gonna put myself in hawk over something that I actually am gonna be okay living without?
Speaker 1:I've done it. I've looked at it like you know what? I Got a credit card. I got a good limit, we'll be all right, right Payments on that damn thing. It'll be okay. Now I look at it and I'm like I really want this. You know what this one program says yeah, campaign, it's like a spider or whatever that bullshit is they have on different websites. I'm like, yeah, let's apply. They look at my credit like you're funny. Oh, you want to get shit.
Speaker 2:You're the cautionary tale, sir. This is why we don't rent give to you.
Speaker 1:I'm like I pay my bills on time to like yeah, yeah, but you, you always dead. Max amount again, right?
Speaker 2:History is what they call it. So gets paid, just saying it's not in a timely fashion that you want, but it's right Like deal. You believe would say when you know one of the joke jokes You know you hate when those bill collectors call up So when can we expect payments? So you can expect payment anytime.
Speaker 1:Don't get it when I have it, but you're not gonna get it when you want it.
Speaker 2:I'm just right, right, it's like you know.
Speaker 1:So, look, we are at 753, my time 1953. If you're military or prior military and understand what that is. We got 14 entries in the drawing, so I am going to give you two more minutes. I've got 21 people, that it says, are currently watching this. Now that might be the same person watching on multiple things, but that's okay. We want to do down in the banner We're gonna put it up here Where to go. Hashtag next generation what?
Speaker 1:has next generation. Down below, here, in about two minutes, we will do a drawing. The more the merrier, and if you want to give it out on your own, you'll wait, give it away, just our. But this gives us the opportunity, because this is a community. I mean, this is what we're all about building. So we're gonna come together and guess what, if it gives someone to come to you And you can say I can give this to you, because maybe you have a friend that's not watching, go for it, help me, i'm all for it, let's go. This is what we do, absolutely. So let's see, i have an 800 credit score, just no proof of stable income. Yo, so aren't they are? Can you hack somebody and give me an 800 credit score? That'd be great, just saying.
Speaker 2:Can we just go fight club and just call it good?
Speaker 1:Right, got a friend that's going Live on tiktok. I gotta go jump in with this functional Viking on there. So All one word, people. All one word. You see it at the bottom of the banner. Don't put any spaces. All one word, next generation.
Speaker 2:I'm making a new drawing.
Speaker 1:Come on now right, come on, damn. But yeah, so I got. I got some friends that are going live here in about five minutes, so I gotta make sure I get. I can be late, this is my shot, but we'll get there. How many drawings we looking at now? 15, 15. That's only gone up one. All right, that should give me 16 And I think we should have 17. All right, let's see next generation, 17. All right, cool, we're up to 17, 18, 19. All right, oh damn, it's still going. All right, so we're up to 18 right now. Cool, all right. So I'm gonna give it another one more minute. All right, one more minute depending on this.
Speaker 1:Hey, misha, if you win, i'll let you know. Actually, misha, you do both, or I mean, i'll just let you know. It doesn't matter, right? I love you anyways. You've been here for a long haul, so, coming out of the end, and I do want to do this giveaway, we got 22 people and Watching and 18 entries.
Speaker 1:So this is what we're gonna do. We're just gonna fucking do it. Let's see, add to stream. So we're gonna do the first one. We're just gonna basically cycle through this. I'm not gonna do anything different because I basically know everybody in here because you're all my warriors and I love you all. There's probably someone, i don't know. We're gonna figure it out, andrea. There's one, andrea, hey. So look, andrew, do me a favor if you can, and I love you, so you should be able to do this. Take note of everybody that wins, including yourself. Let's see, we're gonna draw again. Just funny, yelling me like I can't do that shit. I'm gonna have to go back through the episode to be able to see it. Have you ever Going on, brother, nice, i swear if you wouldn't get on YouTube. We're fighting.
Speaker 2:You know you enter twice, we're fighting. Well, my wife wins. We know I'm gonna put that to good use.
Speaker 1:I don't know. three is Zach.
Speaker 2:Zach, zach Zach.
Speaker 1:I don't do. I know Zach. I don't know if I know Zach. Zach, get a hold of me on LinkedIn or somewhere. Um, i don't see a last name. I don't know who Zach is. Zach, get a hold of me. It could be Discord if that's where you know me from. I don't fucking know. Just let me know and we'll figure that shit out. We'll get there. Hey, i do. You know, some of these people got pictures. I can actually put a face to a name. I just can't do that. So that's three. Keep that in mind. I'm gonna call you Jason, because I'm gonna lose count. I'm gonna lose count, dammit. No, no, that does not count. We're drawing again. No, you're not winning twice. You already won once, damn it.
Speaker 1:Four I know you, homie, i got you There, we go Alright. So that's four. Alright, let's see. Five. Five, stop, get me awake. Um, get a hold of me. Uh, i'm trying to think of how. Give me like a LinkedIn or something in the chat, please, so I can get a hold of you or you can message me. Find a way, let me know who you are. Uh, that's what? five? Yes sir Alright, let's go to six. Number six, number six. Come on, bill Big. Bill Alright, how about Bill Seven, seven, seyate, seyate, seyate, seyate.
Speaker 2:Six.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Chris, there we go, i got you homie, There we go.
Speaker 1:Oh Joe, Who's winning? Oh Joe, Oh Joe.
Speaker 2:Come on.
Speaker 1:No, no, you ain't winning twice. Get that out of here, sorry I love you, homie, but you ain't winning twice.
Speaker 1:It don't work that way. I will draw until we get someone different. I will Nope. No, dude, come on. It works a little bit better when you do different hashtags, but we're just gonna. Andrew, come on, you're getting Andrea now. No, don't make me pick random ass people, because I'll fucking do it. I know who's in chat. I will just send them random ass codes if you do this shit to me too much. Misha, there we go. There we go. That's eight. Alright. So Misha's number eight Right there. I hope Andrea is actually taking notes on this, because I can't see my screen to see if she agreed or not, but she better have agreed because you know. Adriana, adriana, alright.
Speaker 1:There's nine One more and we got one more. Oh, we got 19 entries now. Oh, something went up. Alright, let's go. Let's go One more, one more, One more. We got Nope Andrea, come on, girl, damn, get her out of there. Shit, i wish I could. I wish it was just like let me remove people, or if it would remove people like after Right.
Speaker 2:I want to say one Nope Not you.
Speaker 1:Let's see, dude, i know who I'm gonna give a code to if I just fucking quit. I already know. Well, let's figure this out, let's see. Let's see, paul, alright. Paul, I don't know who you are You ain't got no last name for me, or nothing?
Speaker 2:Number 10. Lucky number 10.
Speaker 1:So, natalie, the automation definitely needs help. It needs to remove people as I'm doing drawings. That'd be fucking great. So, paul, whoever you are. So here's the thing. We got Paul and Zach.
Speaker 1:I literally don't know what your last names are or who the fuck you are. So please get a hold of me And you better have a profile that actually says who you are and can prove, kind of, where we were at with this. Otherwise, andrea got all of them, so we'll take note because Andrea did. In case y'all weren't aware, andrea donated five of these vouchers that were given away. So Andrea did five, i did five. It's kind of how it goes and we're in it to win it. Hey, i don't know who I am sometimes, so for everybody that wants to know, i love one Congratulations. Thank you Honestly. I hope this helps you and grow. Paul said I'll hit you up on LinkedIn. Good, zach, whoever you are with us, discord if you're in the pagan community or if you're from LinkedIn, wherever you're from, please get a hold of me, let me know. Otherwise, jason, before we go off air, before we, you know, shut down, give me some final words. Man, what advice you got for people that are really transitioning, and just trying to make a name for themselves.
Speaker 2:Oh man, just be honest with me, be prepared for hard work, be prepared to you know, be introspective and really take a look at what you need to do and why you want to do it. That's the biggest thing I can tell you. You know, do it because do it because you want to do it, because you're you're going to be good at it. Don't just do it because, well, i ain't got nothing else to do and it's going to be good money down the road, or it's going to be good money instantly, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know that's that's. you know I have a problem because, you know, i look at things and I see people that that are doing things for money and part of me says don't chase money, right. A huge part of me says don't chase money because you're never going to be happy right.
Speaker 1:But then another part of me says look at our economy, look at the way our society is, look at the way things are going. You kind of have to, or else you're going to be fucking broke and literally somebody's going to have. you know, you're going to have your shit box car and somebody's going to have a shit box car with a stereo and you're like, oh, i want that stereo and it's going to mean something. But that's the kind of the way things are going. You got to kind of look at it and so don't chase money, but upskill yourself to get money, absolutely, if that makes sense 100%.
Speaker 1:You know so. So I wouldn't say that money. I'd say become better so that the money comes, because you deserve more. I don't care who the fuck you are, You deserve more.
Speaker 1:But you got to prove it and people hate that but look, I'm not going to hire you just because you have some search and I don't know who the fuck you are Right If you're not putting yourself out there and I don't know who to hell you are. I'm not going to hire you based on some search. I'm going to ask you fucking questions and figure out who to fuck you are.
Speaker 2:Right. No, you can be good on paper, but if you're not good in real life, what good are you?
Speaker 1:So so we're going to, we're going to figure that out and that's, and that's the way it needs to go. And so, look, here's the thing before we sign off. And, jason, if you want to hang around for a minute before we go or after we go, this community is everything to me. Everybody here is one of my cyber warriors. Everybody here is one of my warriors. And you know, there were a few people here in the chat this week that actually have nothing to do with cyber security. They are just here because they're family, right, they're part of the pagan project, they're part of other the areas of my life. And then we're just joining in, kind of like your wife joining in and getting the chat and being involved, and that's what it's about.
Speaker 1:We are a community, we're a family, and and for anybody that doesn't know, that's what family is about. Maybe, i don't know, maybe you had a shitty family. It happens. But guess what? Family doesn't end in blood. If I cut you, guess what? We're all going to bleed bread and we're all the same. So I don't give a damn what you look like, i don't give a damn who you are. This is community, this is family. So everybody else going to try to break you up. Understand you belong here. You belong with the cyber warrior. You belong in cyber warrior studios. You belong in cyber security. You belong here. This is where you can make a difference. You want to make a difference? You do it here. This is what you do. This is what we do Now. Otherwise, look, i love you all. You were all my warriors. You're all my family.
Speaker 1:Please check the description for all the ways you can support this channel with us. Buy me a coffee, and there is memberships. Now Merchandise, paypal, cash App, you name it. And I got to say one more thing. I have been donating money to the Pagan project. So the money you donate to me guess what? It might just go there, i don't fucking know Depends on what I feel like doing with it that day. But you bring it here. I'm going to do something with it to benefit the community. That's just the way shit goes. So y'all, have a good one. I'm going to take care. I'm going to go out. I'm going to you know what? I'm going to keep drinking. That's just what I'm going to do. Have a great weekend. I will see you all next week with another amazing episode of security happy hour right here on cyber warrior studios.