Unlocking the Hidden Superpowers of ADHD: An Insightful Exploration of Neurodiversity and Innovation

How can struggles with focus become a powerful ability for innovation? Brace yourselves for an enlightening conversation with a veteran and member of the infinite and probability AI, as we navigate the intricate and often misunderstood world of ADHD. We dive into the heart of ADHD, recounting the struggles with maintaining concentration and the challenge of juggling tasks, particularly in abrupt changes like the transition to remote learning during the pandemic. Yet, we also highlight the unique strengths and superpowers innate in individuals with ADHD, such as their ability to hyper-focus on tasks that intrigue them and excel beyond the ordinary boundaries.

ADHD, often seen as a stumbling block, could very well be your secret weapon. We delve into the world of neurodiversity and spotlight the unexplored aspects of ADHD, such as face blindness, and the unique resilience inherent in people with this condition that can be traced back to our hunter-gatherer ancestors. Our guest shares personal experiences and insights about ADHD, offering an intimate glimpse into what might seem like a different world to many. We also look at the overlooked intersection of gender and ADHD, discussing how societal misunderstanding can lead to unnecessary challenges for women with the condition.

While ADHD can present its fair share of challenges, we highlight the often overlooked superpowers that come with it - the ability to connect seemingly unrelated topics and potential for innovative problem-solving. Listen in as we explore the fascinating concept of neural plasticity, the hidden potential of our minds, and how individuals with ADHD can harness these to navigate the challenges of today's world. We also talk about the unique emotional experiences of men and women with ADHD and investigate their often-overlooked superpower - empathy. So, if you've ever been curious about ADHD or have been touched by it personally, you don't want to miss this episode.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

And welcome back. It is me, the Cyber Warrior. This is Cyber Warrior Studios, and I know you are all here for another amazing episode of Security Happy Hour and I promise, if you stick with me for just about 10 seconds, because we got an amazing guest that he's been on before, but you know me, I like to bring on guests again and again every once in a while, so stick with me and I'll be right back. And I'm back and, like I said, it wasn't too long. But hey, guess what? There it is, the official sound of Security Happy Hour kicking off and I'm here for it and we're going to have an amazing episode talking ADHD and its superpowers, which I've talked about before briefly, but not in such depth, I would think, especially once you're in this field. So, without further ado, my guests, fellow veteran soldier, I served with infinite and probability AI, or as I like to call them, ar. What's going on, ar?

Speaker 2: 1:05

Hey, how's it going? Great seeing you again. It's great to be on again this time. In the past I've done a couple of tech podcasts, but this time we're talking about more mental health.

Speaker 1: 1:16

Yeah, definitely, and ADHD is an amazing superpower when used correctly, when you understand more of how it affects the mind and what you're capable of. And so what has been your experience with ADHD so far and what do you think has been a detriment to you? Let's start with that first. What has been the hardest thing to deal with with it?

Speaker 2: 1:44

Well, the hardest thing to deal with is, of course, maintaining focus. So it kind of evens out, kind of not really evens out. There's a lot of challenges to it basically, but a lot of it has to do with motivation, getting tasks started, completing tasks towards the end, general pain, attention. There's a lot of things that people with ADHD there's some generalizations, a lot of characteristics that they suffer through through lots of jobs, not being able to control emotions, dark thoughts, things like that but there's also some benefits to it that I'd like to talk about.

Speaker 1: 2:43

Yeah, definitely. I mean no, but you're not wrong, I do want to touch on the benefits, but I just want people to understand kind of what happens in the mind when you're dealing with stuff like that, because before you can even touch on the benefits, understanding really the significance of until you gain control and are able to really utilize it to your benefit, how it affects people and I think the biggest thing is just not being able to focus. You start on one thing and then it shifts to another and then it shifts to another. Sometimes you don't even get started, but you're constantly bouncing around until you learn how to fix it and learn how to tune it to your advantage. Am I correct?

Speaker 2: 3:25

Oh yeah. Well, first let's get the definition cleared up. Attention deficit doesn't mean that you don't have attention. What they're talking about on ADHD is you have trouble regulating your attention. There are some tasks that you can focus on, and I'm talking about. It's very easy just to go into flow, what people call flow. That's where your ego disappears, your emotions disappear, everything, all your brains is just working on a single task. You're free of distractions. There's no emotion to it, it's just one task follows the other. That is flow. And when it comes with someone with ADHD, you either have a scatterbrain or you have flow. You have very hard time trying to get into those specific things. There's a lot of people that would go and say like I know you're not dumb, you don't turn in your homework, but there's just moments where you say something that's so profound you think you're smart, but other times you're just scatterbrained. You can remember things, like you can remember something that happened 10 years ago with extreme detail, but you have trouble remembering what happened earlier today. That sort of thing.

Speaker 1: 4:54

Yeah, definitely, and that's a huge thing because I find that more often in this career field probably than a lot of others within IT and cybersecurity, is the whole concept of being able to function with ADHD or any type of neurodiversity, any type of mental, what people would consider a disability, I really consider an ability, because when you look at certain concepts, it gives them a benefit that a lot of others don't have.

Speaker 1: 5:24

So, like you were stating, you get the end of those hyper fixation, you get into that flow state and I think, with ADHD, because you have one of two extremes, normally you have either scatterbrained, kind of like when I'm trying to learn anything tech related out of books, I'm constantly jumping versus that hyper fixation state, or that flow state where you find something and I find this a lot more when I'm doing things like hack the box or certifications is I can kind of get into a flow and a rhythm of okay, I'm going to know all of this, but you asked me, like at the moment, somebody, something else, grabs my attention, now I'm gone, now I'm gone, I'm out of it, and it takes a while to get back into that state of mind.

Speaker 2: 6:10

It has to do with there's triggers for it and usually with someone with ADHD, when they find something they're interested in, it's something that they focus on completely. It's kind of hard to get if it's not something you're interested in. It's extremely hard for them, or for us or anyone with ADHD, to actually focus your brain on that.

Speaker 1: 6:34

Right, I find that a lot. I find that very see, and here's the thing and here's why I and again, I'm not a doctor, I don't know for sure but just what I have witnessed with, like my nephew and other people I know that are either ADHD or on some type of autism, autism scale or anything like that If you give them something that they are passionate about, they will be the best at it and better than anybody else. That is not neurodiverse, Because they have that ability to fixate on it and do things in such a way that others cannot, because we, those who don't have any type of mental or neurodiversity, can focus, but it's never. I don't want to say it's not truly there, but it's not truly there, right, it's one of those things where it's like oh yeah, I like this and you know, but to dig in deep and to really fixate on something is very difficult for people that aren't neurodiverse, at least in my opinion and again I could be wrong- oh, of course.

Speaker 2: 7:42

Everyone would say, like, oh, of course, if it's something you're interested in, you're going to spend more time focusing on that. But it's for someone with ADHD. It's a lot harder to get out of that and get into that More. People who aren't neurodiverse or who are have trouble regulating, or who can regulate their focus, it's simple for them. Sometimes it's easier on some things, but for people with ADHD it's extremely difficult.

Speaker 1: 8:11

Right. And you can't grab their attention just off of anything. Right, it has to be something they enjoy. If they don't enjoy it, then it'll never. They'll never pinpoint focus. And Amanda in chat, who has ADHD as well. She's absolutely correct, because it's the same way for me. It almost becomes an obsession for us, and it does. It is truly one of those things where we will go into. It's either all or nothing. I'm either giving my all or you've got nothing from me.

Speaker 2: 8:44

Right, for me it's coding. When I'm coding, I was doing something for Eric Bellardo the other day and I was trying to code something and I got obsessed with something where I need to process it but I had to figure out like an algorithm. Next to error. I'm spending hours on it. Next thing I know I started at 4 pm. Next thing I know it's 5 am. The sun's coming up.

Speaker 2: 9:13

I'm all like time flew for me Time flies for me and I'm all like, oh shoot, I gotta go to bed. My wife works at night so she left at 6 and she was gonna be home in two hours and here I was trying to work out this algorithm that I'm trying to figure out, but for me I was in flow. I was time flew for me. But that is one of the superpowers, it's all right, people who have trouble, like I said, people who have trouble regulating, they either have scatterbrains or in flow. So that's one of the first superpowers of it is hyper-focused. You can get hyper-focused on something and become extremely good at something, accomplish a task extremely well see insight, just simply from hyper-focus. Now, that happens in one in one of two situations one, where you're it's something you're interested in, something that you really like, and number two is if it's something that has dire consequences if you don't accomplish it.

Speaker 1: 10:15

Yes, so which leads to.

Speaker 2: 10:18

another superpower is people with ADHD work well under pressure. We're used to having to wait or putting things off until the last minute and then, when time you know time happens, we enter automatically into her. When something is about to happen, we automatically enter flow state and know exactly what to do.

Speaker 1: 10:38

And that's, and that's why I work better on that's what I'm a procrastinator, right, but I'm a perfectionist.

Speaker 2: 10:44

Everybody's a procrastinator of subsorts.

Speaker 1: 10:47

So for me it is very difficult to really especially things like documentation or reports, anything that requires written work. It's very hard for me to focus and do that unless it's down to the wire. If it's like this is due in like a day, then the day before I can get it knocked out or that morning. But if it's like, hey, this is due in two weeks, I'm going to sit there and be like okay, cool, I got time, and like just not be able to focus on it. But the moment the pressure is on and it needs to get done, then it's done and I have to have it perfect. So I will go through that some bitch I don't know how many times until I know it's right.

Speaker 2: 11:28

Right, we're, our brains are sprinters, but very, very poor long distance runners. Oh yeah, right, if it's a task that we need to accomplish right now, we can knock it out. However, if it's a task that involves day after day, chipping at it little by little, each step, we put it off to the next day, we put off to the next day, till the next day and, next thing, you know, it's kind of hard to actually get get started on something or on the small tasks that need to be done before we can accomplish the big tasks. So, like I said, it's a it's sprinters, but very poor long distance runners.

Speaker 1: 12:08

Yeah, give me the end goal and tell me it's due tomorrow and I'll get it there.

Speaker 2: 12:12

Right.

Speaker 1: 12:13

But if you give me an end goal and a bunch of little tasks that are going to take me like three weeks, four weeks, then I'm going to wait till the end of that and I'm just going to knock them all out at once. If possible. I'm just going to do it all at once.

Speaker 2: 12:24

Which is a tip for anyone who has, or any leader of someone who has, adhd is don't tell oh, get this done, you know, whenever you can, or you know, no rush on this. Tell them how long, or ask them how long will it take for you to you know, do this for me, that may. That way, they will set their their own date and know hey, I need to accomplish it. Like I said, I would.

Speaker 2: 12:51

Yeah, that's a simple tip Just tell them, you know don't say get to get it to me whenever you can say how long will it take?

Speaker 1: 12:57

you. Anytime someone says, get this to me when you can, it's immediate. Like my immediate thought is it's not getting done. It's just not gonna get done. If you tell me get it to me when you can, then I'm gonna give myself a date. That's never gonna get accomplished. I'll be like all right, I'll have it done like a week knowing, damn well, I got other work, I got other projects, I got other things I'm working on. You didn't give me a date and didn't make this a priority, so it's not a priority to me.

Speaker 2: 13:25

Yeah, for all you know, you could turn it in 10 years from now.

Speaker 1: 13:28

Yeah, and so it's crazy how that works, because, hold on, amanda, I have a trick for making a bunch of small challenges out of a big project. That'd be intriguing. Amanda, you're gonna have to share that with the class, amanda.

Speaker 2: 13:51

Yeah, that's a technique you use through, like scrum or tasks breaking out, or there's a different place.

Speaker 1: 14:00

I don't like agile, I don't like those things, because to me it is too structured. Tell me I have something, give me a project and then say this part of it is due by this date, this part of it is due by this date, then okay. But if you come at me and are like, hey, so what are we gonna do this week, I'm gonna knock out what I can, when I can, how I can, and if there's a due date on it, it'll get done by that due date. That's all I can tell you.

Speaker 2: 14:32

Right.

Speaker 1: 14:33

If there's not a due date on it, then it'll get done eventually. It's not a priority.

Speaker 2: 14:38

One thing I noticed when I was doing the cyber mission is those young airmen. He was lower rank. I maybe had an E3 of whatever the Air Force Airmen first class.

Speaker 2: 14:53

Airmen first class. He comes in and I can tell he was trying to accomplish scrum. Like he was trying to. I had to log in the tasks. I was taking care of the documentation, so we had something discheduled. I want this recorded, that recorded. Okay, we did it, but he was very structured about it. It was very loosey-goosey at the time but he wanted it specifically structured. And I'm all like, oh, this guy is trying to do project management. That's what he was trying to do. The thing is he was trying to do project management.

Speaker 2: 15:26

There was a mission that needed to be done that we were scheduled for 7 am. Okay, 7 am. I was on the second shift. It was midnight, right, I was just about to get out, somebody else was about to get on, but somebody higher up maybe an E7 of the Airmen comes in. He's all like, hey, how come these systems aren't on? And I'm all like what are you talking about? And he was all like we need these systems on. I'm all like are you doing on this reason? Yes, it's scheduled for 7 am, yeah, but why aren't they on? It's midnight, we need them on.

Speaker 2: 15:59

There's a communication problem there. So, even though someone might be doing Scrum, somebody else might be coming in an hour or a few. Yeah, he wasn't in the or I guess the E7 didn't feel the need to relay that to the E3, who was trying to keep things organized in the structure. And here I am monitoring all the systems. Make sure everything that needs to be on is on. Everything that needs to be on is off. And he comes up and says, hey, how come it's not happening, instead of hey, can you turn these on? We wanna do this pre-mission mission.

Speaker 1: 16:30

You just why aren't they on?

Speaker 1: 16:32

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And it's one of those things, man, like. What I think about it well people don't realize is I really don't think there's anything. There's no such thing as a neurodiverse disability. People call them disabilities, but I don't think they are. Just from what I've seen and the capabilities of so many people, whether it's ADHD, add, autism, you name it yeah, you maybe have social anxiety, you may not be able to do certain things, but the things you can do, the things you do, do you do better than anybody else? Nobody will touch you in those industries, except for those that are just like you, because it takes a certain kind of aptitude and capability to be able to focus and learn and actually retain all of that knowledge that you don't get if you're not neurodiverse. It's. I think it's a lot harder if, even if you're passionate about something, if you're not neurodiverse in some way or shape or form.

Speaker 2: 17:43

I guess it depends on how you think about this both Marilyn Monroe and Rockefeller I'm not sure if it was John D Rockefeller or his son, sorry. Marilyn Monroe says well-behaved girls seldom make history. Rockefeller says to be truly successful, you blaze your own trail and not follow the same trail everybody else has. So when you're a neurodiverse person, you're thinking differently than everybody else. You are thinking you're not capable of following what everybody else does. I gotta fix this. I sound more shaky, all right.

Speaker 1: 18:31

Yeah, and that's the thing, though, but I think about that. I think that way in general. Right, if you're just following the same path as everybody else, you're not gonna get anywhere. You're gonna be stuck in the, you're gonna be another cog in the wheel. Those who are different, those who blaze their own trail, who make their own path, who do their own thing, the rebels, the outcasts, the neurodiverse, whatever you wanna call them those are the ones that find true success. I get, depending on how you think about it, but almost true success, at least in their own mind, because they made it their own way. They didn't have to follow some blueprint or some hey, you have to do it this way it was, I'm gonna make it.

Speaker 2: 19:20

Yeah, you have to think differently in order to try something new, which, like, I'm not sure if I'm trying. Here's another weakness amongst people with ADHD we have bad time writing because we have things in our head that we need to get out, but we just don't know how to do it, because our minds go on 80 miles an hour, while our mouths are moving eight steps a minute. So I'm trying to say it has to be different in order to you have to. Your mind has to work differently in order to think differently.

Speaker 2: 20:01

That's what I'm trying to say so when I say neurodiverse, it's different than everybody else, but that's what is needed is being able to.

Speaker 1: 20:12

I can't you know what?

Speaker 1: 20:13

Well, look at it this way, right, if you look at some of the brightest minds, some of the people that have been the wealthiest, some of the people that have made the biggest impact in the world, right, when it comes to innovation and business and things of that nature, they were either, if not both, autistic or ADHD.

Speaker 1: 20:33

Look at people like Albert Einstein, bill Gates, steve Jobs you can go through a slew of people that, in one way or shape or form or another Elon Musk I would adventure a guest Mark Zuckerberg and all these other people whether or not they stole ideas or did not, they still thought outside the box, figured out a way to make things happen in a way that other people didn't think of or were able to capitalize on it in a different way. So, whether or not it was wrong how they got there, they still found a way to get there. So I may not agree with all the methods, but you can't deny the results, and it comes from thinking outside the box, it comes from saying I'm going to do this and I'm just going to make it happen.

Speaker 2: 21:16

That brings us, or it's the first superpowers, was that hyper focus and flow? Second superpower creativity. Our minds think in so many different directions. We start making connections here and there and how things eventually come together and think of ways that other people just never even considered.

Speaker 1: 21:43

Right.

Speaker 2: 21:43

All right, now here's an example. Did you know that nothing in nature has wheels Like I mean? You think it will I follow you yeah. Yeah, do you think it'd be like? I mean, the wheel is big invention. You can roll things, it's the easiest way to get from A to B, carry things, and you figure that maybe something would evolve to have wheels, since it's the easiest way to get things from here to there. There's a type of micro-organism that has a propeller, but it's not quite a wheel.

Speaker 1: 22:25

There are spiders that roll like a wheel, but still not quite a wheel.

Speaker 2: 22:32

But if you think about it, the wheel is not very efficient in nature. God does not think in straight lines. What is most effective in nature are legs, our legs, that can go over uneven grounds and to scale up, goats can even scale wall through legs or with their legs they can get over, step over something, step through something, uneven ground, get their legs out of mud and stuff. It's just easier to travel. The most efficient things is legs. Now here's my ADD brain going in. There are types of algorithms that are being looked at right now. They're called nature-inspired optimization algorithms. Sounds like what's called ancolonization algorithms. It's like dyke-strums where they find lease paths through a network, through a spending tree protocol, where they weigh in on the cost of a path to go from one router to another router, to a switch, to your computer and all that noise.

Speaker 1: 23:46

You're different routing protocols.

Speaker 2: 23:49

Ants have found a very efficient way to communicate to each other from their den to the food source and carrying it back. They communicate that through a whole bunch of each other. Now people are figuring out hey, that is a highly efficient way that nature evolved into doing that. Right wheels. We think wheels it's the best way to do that, but nature says here's a better way that gets over other obstacles For people with ADHD. We go from wheels to legs, to ants, to neural diversity or to network optimizations, simply from one going to the other, to the other, and you make all those connections. Now we end up with something that is still being studied right now. It's just started in the 90s, but we're finding a new way, just connecting things that go all the way?

Speaker 1: 24:54

that have no way of connecting.

Speaker 1: 24:57

Right, and it's the way the mind works, because, again to your point, creativity and thinking and bouncing around and eventually you're like this point to this point, to this point, to this point, if anywhere to look at it, if you were to do a mind map, it would look completely ridiculous. People like this makes no sense, like this, I don't get it, but in your mind. It doesn't matter whether or not it makes sense to anybody else. It's the fact that the path you took eventually got to that point, which would have taken somebody else if they would have looked at it and been like how'd you get to this? Like, how does this make this makes no sense, but to you and that's.

Speaker 1: 25:35

The other thing, though, is with ADHD, with neurodiversity and with the way the mind bounces around, it will make sense even to those with ADHD or those that are also neurodiverse. It won't even make sense to that, because it is one of those things that is independent to the thinker. They will understand almost the concept of how you got there, but they won't understand how you got there. If you get my point Like, it'll be like okay, yeah, the mind bounces around, I completely get it. You know point A, point B it may have taken a whole bunch of different routes to get there, but we got there. That makes sense. But someone else is going to look at that and just be confused and be like I don't get it. How'd you get there? Like I'm lost, how'd you go from wheels to ants, to what you're looking at? But to you it makes sense and it's valid and it works. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 26:30

Right, I call those epiphanies. We space out, then make things connect in our head and then we go from one to another and then we have an aha moment. What Amanda called it last week is ADHD buffering.

Speaker 1: 26:49

Right, or she likes to call them side quests. Now, side quests. She said, yes, please don't look at my mind or make me explain how I got there. The point is, I got there. She was like I call them side quests Side quests, it's true. You do you kind of go and you're like, oh yeah, we're going to go with this. And you're like Squirrel and you're like, wait, Squirrel comes back to here and that leads to this and that'll lead to this. And hey, now we're at the finale and I made it and this is what's going to come of it. And someone's going to look at that and go how'd you get there, squirrel?

Speaker 2: 27:20

And it's weird. Well, one major event was like I'm the youngest, my older brother. Sometimes he catches me like I space out and in my mind I'm making a whole bunch of connections, and then I say something and he goes how'd you do that? I want to know what went on in your head, like how did you go from here to there? Like he was interested. But during my high school graduation we had a graduation and it was going to be a post-graduation party and I said to my brother oh yeah, I'm going to post-graduation party. Then the night comes and he had his own vehicle but instead he used my truck and he left and then he comes back and I go hey, I need to go because I got the party. I told you about it, it goes. Oh, I completely forgot.

Speaker 1: 28:07

A couple of weeks later, hey, ar, hold up, I got a guest for you real quick. You want to say hi to him?

Speaker 2: 28:16

Oh, who Come here? Hey, bro, hey, what's up, hey, what's up.

Speaker 1: 28:23

Squirrel, where'd you come?

Speaker 2: 28:25

from Texas, texas, texas.

Speaker 1: 28:31

Texas. So for all those that don't know, this is Bizzle, this is my brother, and he's going to be hanging out for a while until I finally decided to tell him to get his own place. How does that work, bro?

Speaker 2: 28:46

So I just got home, you are working out, we need to catch up instead of being or yeah, we eventually need to catch up. So I think the last time I saw you was at third MISP.

Speaker 1: 28:57

Yup, yup.

Speaker 2: 28:59

And then I disappeared and now I reappear. Yeah, that happens. Was that Bizzle? Didn't you go to Japan? They don't want to Japan. I went to Texas. Yeah, I always got used to confused because you have similar names.

Speaker 1: 29:12

Yeah, I know, everybody did. It was like Bizzle, bizzle, come here. Yeah, we were.

Speaker 2: 29:18

You're both black guys. Yeah, tall, thin. Yeah black, thin and shit yeah.

Speaker 1: 29:25

You know they all look the same. It happens they're just him and Bizzle yeah, similar names.

Speaker 2: 29:30

They were both tall and thin. Yeah, they could have been like biological brothers.

Speaker 1: 29:35

So I just yeah, yeah, honestly.

Speaker 2: 29:38

Oh, that's another thing I have. Well, it's known as face blindness. My mind's always going that's a weakness for me because I and because I'm always thinking I'd never quite look at people in the face. Yeah, when I see people, I have trouble distinguishing faces.

Speaker 1: 29:53

I see I'll remember faces but not names.

Speaker 2: 29:56

For me it's the other way around. I know names, but not faces. I haven't seen him in years. I knew his name, biddle.

Speaker 1: 30:03

Yeah, I'll remember faces. I could not see anyone for years. I'm like I know you, I know, I know you. I don't know your name, but I know you, bizzle. Bizzle recalled your voice. He didn't even know who was on with me. He just came in for work and he was like I know that voice. I'm going to say hi to AR, all right.

Speaker 2: 30:23

So I do have a. I do have a unique voice. I got a.

Speaker 1: 30:29

You know what I find, though. I find your ADHD. This is. This is how I, even before I even knew in depth more about ADHD, I kind of knew you had it. Um, I knew I did, but I knew you did just because of the way your mind works, and, especially as me and you would converse more outside of the military, your love for data science and your ability to focus on numbers, right Numbers, stats that type of stuff was always more than I could ever dig into, like you'd bring out all these numbers and I'd be like homie, I don't Dude, that is awesome. I don't know how you got there, I don't know how you found it, but I get it Like cool, all right.

Speaker 2: 31:12

What I find about it is all right. People with ADHD. We have a sweet tooth right.

Speaker 1: 31:17

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 31:17

We have a sweet tooth we can get easily addicted. It's that dopamine hit. Right, that dopamine hit Um. You can ask anyone with ADHD. They have a sugar of preference. So, um, mine is PICE.

Speaker 2: 31:35

Yeah so anyways, is that dopamine hit? And with with um data analytics and data uh analysis, it's kind of like betting in a sense, right. So you, you make a bet on something and you use past information to see if you're right or if you, if you're right or wrong famous data set is the Titanic, is the Titanic data set? So, and it's one of the things you give people who just starting out in data science, they got to write an algorithm to find out if you know a certain passenger lived or died.

Speaker 1: 32:13

And if Jack could have fit on the board? The door, yes, he could have. So so.

Speaker 2: 32:17

so you would go and you're making a bet, what you want. You can straight up say, since 62% of the people died, 60 something percent. You can just straight up anyone who brings this passenger died, this passenger died, this passenger died. And you'd be correct 60% of the time. But if you do data processing, you can look at someone and say he survived, he lived, or she lived, he survived, she lived. And get even more right and then break it up on age groups. You know, the little boy survived, the little girl survived, the woman survived, the man died. And get even closer and that is the dopamine hit is when you're right, you're making a guess, you're doing a bet. Did they survive, did they die? You're right, that's the dopamine hit. So that's why, for me, data science and data analytics is, is is a digging to me.

Speaker 1: 33:15

So we're the adventures according to Amanda All right.

Speaker 2: 33:19

So oh yeah, One thing that we're going to, that people with ADHD do, is fail. We fail a lot.

Speaker 1: 33:27

We let things, we let things we don't fail, we learn All right.

Speaker 2: 33:32

We let things time lapse, right Time lapse. We forget about things. You know, things expired, things do. We don't get things done on time. Basically, we fail. However, that in itself is the other superpower we are extremely resilient.

Speaker 1: 33:55

We fail a lot.

Speaker 2: 33:56

We get back up and we continue. And people with ADHD that they're super power, they're resilient. That's what my brother a few weeks ago had a heart to heart and he was saying growing up he's seven years older than me Growing up, he's all like one thing you notice that I was extremely. He called. He called me tough. I guess what he meant was resilient, because you were extremely tough, you messed up a lot, but you just kept going.

Speaker 1: 34:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:26

People with ADHD. It's usually a genetic component. My dad, I was explaining him to a counselor and someone said your dad sounds like he was either bipolar or schizophrenic and he did have hallucinations sometimes. But that's where my ADHD comes from. It's from my dad's side. Oh shoot, adhd buffer moment. And, evolution-wise, the hunter-gatherer people, people with hunter-gatherer societies, people with ADHD extremely resilient, extremely persistent, they're the ones who are more likely to bring home food to keep their family fed because they fail, but they try again.

Speaker 1: 35:15

So try again.

Speaker 2: 35:17

And try again.

Speaker 1: 35:18

Do you feel that ADHD, or at least symptoms of it, that hyperfixation, that mind-scatterness and everything else is always genetic, or could it be something that potentially, over time, develops based on situations that have occurred in your life and or different events?

Speaker 2: 35:43

There's a strong genetic component to it. If your parents don't have it, then there's usually an uncle or an aunt that had it, or a grandparent. That is a high probability of things. But the brain is plastic the neural plasticity that's what they call it. You can form it and shape it into a certain way and it'll function indistinguishable from someone else. So it doesn't matter how old you are. You can work it out and make it and form it to a way for it to work. So you can either make it highly efficient or make it ADHD. Here's another ADHD tangent Growing up as a little kid, there was a drug store called Thrifties.

Speaker 2: 36:33

Thrifties had ice cream and there was 16. There was four rows, four rows and another section. Four rows and four rows. Rite Aid bought it out. Now the Thrifties ice cream is available on Rite Aid.

Speaker 2: 36:51

Wherever you go, or if you ever see Rite Aid, I highly recommend the ice cream. However, that was when I was a little kid. They had 16 flavors. They had two types of cones sugar cone and regular cone, or you can get a cup and stack them up. So you got three cups and 16 flavors.

Speaker 2: 37:11

However, nowadays there's Baskin Robbins, there's Froyo, there's Gelato, seasonal flavors Stone Cold, you can get sugar cones, you can get dip cones, you can get smoothies, you can get Sundays, banana splits, multi flavors. Basically, in the past we only had a certain amount of options. Right now, we live in a world of 31 flavors. Every option we have, we have to process and think about it. So in our minds everyone's in our minds eventually, someone's going to be overwhelmed with so much information that it's kind of hard to stay focused on one thing.

Speaker 2: 37:50

That's where I think ADHD is coming from. We have so much options and whatever choice you have, you have one, two, three, four. Before, even before that, you had Neapolitan strawberry, vanilla chocolate. Now winter 16 when I was a kid. Now, nowadays, you have all these flavors, all these soft serve, hard serve everything, and trying to find out which one's the best or which one you'd prefer at the moment is extremely difficult and you have to consider a whole bunch of things. Do you want this, do you want that? Do you want this way, do you want it that way? So many options that our minds just can't keep up. So our minds, yeah, I believe it's. Since 2010,. It's been a 10% increase each year of every year, there's 10% increase on people getting diagnosed with ADHD.

Speaker 1: 38:46

Do you want to know what? I think another cause of that is Immediate gratification with social media and things like TikTok. Because your mind now is focusing and changing so often, because it is impossible to multitask. We all know that you either contact switch or you don't focus at all. Your mind is never completely focused because you never pinpoint one thing.

Speaker 2: 39:09

Right, you switch, you have what they call residuals. So when you switch a task, you're still thinking about the last task. You're not going to go to the next one. It's called residuals.

Speaker 1: 39:18

So now you have immediate gratification because now we have the internet, we have social media, we have all these different things, your mind is constantly going.

Speaker 1: 39:26

Now you're going to bed with a phone in your hand, you're flipping through TikTok and everything else, and so when you have that, when you have those issues, when you have all these triggers, now that is forcing your mind to constantly be active. And now you're changing the context of everything you're focusing on, Because on, say, on TikTok, you get like 30 seconds minute, maybe a minute and a half of video. You go to the next. So now your mind can only focus for about a minute, minute and a half at a time. But even then the mind, if the scene doesn't switch every five seconds, if there's nothing to trigger the mind to stay active, now you're getting bored. You're no longer connected to the video, you're no longer connected to what's there, so you want to move on. So, with all of the advent of social media, of things like Vine and TikTok and YouTube and the shorts and the reels and everything else, Vine has been a thing for many years.

Speaker 1: 40:19

Right, but do you find that it is making ADHD, or at least the concept of it? Maybe not truly ADHD, but the concept? You find it's making it more prevalent. Because now, as a child, kids are getting exposed to this type of content because parents are not parenting. They're giving them devices at a younger age which is now triggering their mind to not be able to focus for more than 30 seconds to a minute at a time.

Speaker 2: 40:48

I think it's a little bit complicated but, like I was mentioning before, the mind is highly adaptive and neural plastic. The theory of neural plasticity.

Speaker 2: 41:00

Your mind can adjust to something like that. It can adjust to all that information coming at you. The problem is taking that away. Between 2020 and 2021. There was a huge increase of people being diagnosed with ADHD and that is because their minds were, at first, being flooded with information. All of a sudden, everyone's quarantine, all that information dialed back and it was hard to focus. So now it's people whose minds are trained to be race cars, to go from one to another, to another, to another that automatically says, here, stay idle, but keep that engine running. So not really all the information coming at you all at once. So when you take that away Right? So I don't think all that information that you give to your kids the iPad, the apps, the social medias that your mind is adjusting it's an amazing thing that nobody can explain. It's when you take that away, you changed its environment, something that is not used to. Now it's working.

Speaker 1: 42:08

It's basically so you had this trigger right.

Speaker 1: 42:12

Right, what you're saying is we have this trigger point, especially within 2020. So when the pandemic hit, they pulled everybody out of school. Parents started giving their kids the iPads more and the phones more and things of that nature, so they allowed them this ability to get onto it more often. Now they're back in school, they're in full time. They're doing these different things. So now that technology, that social media, those videos are pulled away from them. So now it went from being able to consume that to now you're in a classroom where you don't have that ability. So now you can't focus. Is that what you're getting at?

Speaker 2: 42:47

Yeah Well, when you spent years going to a classroom and stuff and your brain is working a certain way, all of a sudden you overnight basically overnight you start doing things online. You're all thinking this is not this. People are a creature of habits. They learn, they get used to habits Right, basically. But when you change that, all of a sudden, there's that learning curve and people confuse that with ADHD. You're not in your natural environment, right, the environment changed. So that's what I think is actually happening. It's things are changing. It's not the fact that there's a lot of information is that things are changing so fast.

Speaker 1: 43:32

Your brain is having hard time keeping up or changes, and so even here, he said, the mind is very small but it has the power to constantly process, loss large amounts of information constantly, which is very true. We only use about 10% of our brains. To my knowledge and from what I've researched and from what I understand, it's about 10% of our brains we use. We are not utilizing the full effect of our brain and what it is capable of. So he even says, and he goes on to saying, even while we are sleeping it's still processing information within our dreams.

Speaker 1: 44:06

I really wish my brain would remember what I dream, because I would love to know it, because I swear I have some great dreams that would give me great ideas. I'd have so much more room for activities. But again, I think the mind in and of itself is crazy because, to your point, it is elastic. It has this plasticity to it that allows it to learn and grow and expand and understand. But, to your point, it's the changes. When you shift focus, when you shift away, things are supposed to go then shift away than what you're used to.

Speaker 2: 44:51

Right People like things that are familiar.

Speaker 1: 44:54

Right, everybody's afraid of change. Don't get me wrong. I understand why there are certain changes that are good. What I don't think was good in my eyes was going from structure in a school to homeschool with no structure back to structure in a school. I think that completely jack kids up mentally and how they approach school, how they approach learning and how they approach a lot of other things.

Speaker 2: 45:19

Well, not just the kids, the parents too.

Speaker 1: 45:23

Oh, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 1: 45:27

But, I think it depended on the parents Because, like my wife has always been a very hands-on person when it comes to our kids' learning I try to be, but with me working full-time and her being a stay-at-home mom, she's more hands-on with the kids' learning and so and she has ADHD, like completely understood. We know I do as well. Mine's never been diagnosed, I just know because of how I learn and how I do things. Like, if I'm not in a classroom, don't expect me to learn anything from online. It's just not gonna happen. I don't care how much I love it, I cannot sit there and watch somebody talk to me for an hour.

Speaker 1: 46:01

But my wife was always very good with the kids, but, taking that, I have three older boys that weren't getting all the attention, and so the younger two still got the structure, the older three did not, and me and my oldest would go rounds Cause I'm like, look, I get it, I've got three screens. I work from home. I'm always on the internet. I understand what you're doing, because I do the same shit. I can't learn online, I get it, but you put him back in the classroom and now everything changes. Now he goes back to straight A's and not failing and it's because when he's online, his focus is not on the course, it's.

Speaker 1: 46:41

I've got all these other things I can do and we can't be there all the time. We can't force him to do everything by its due date. I mean, we could, but it's very difficult when you got five kids. And when we get five kids, none of this was a thing, none of it. And then it became a thing. So don't say oh, you chose to have five kids. Yes, I did, but I did not choose to have a pandemic. Just say it. Ha ha, ha ha.

Speaker 2: 47:10

The average age for people to get diagnosed or for children to get diagnosed with ADHD is seven, and there's debate about this, that's if you choose to. It's what.

Speaker 1: 47:21

That's if you choose to.

Speaker 2: 47:22

Yeah, if you choose to. Well, well, people start noticing those behaviors and let's see like boys are three times more likely to get diagnosed with ADHD than girls. However, there's some debate about that, because in girls ADHD manifests differently. Where a guy with a boy is hyperactive, explosive, going here and there for a girl, she's inattentive, she internalizes it and it's very spacey. Usually that gets diagnosed as something else other than ADHD, like depression or something else, but in reality it's ADHD in addition with another neurodivergent condition.

Speaker 1: 48:18

I can understand what you're saying there, because you're right. My boys are very active. They never stop, ever. But I don't believe in medicating my children For me. It's something I don't believe in. I won't give them riddle in, I won't give them anything to calm them down. No, no, no. We're going to find a way to focus your energy. We're going to find a way to focus your thoughts. We're going to find what works for you.

Speaker 2: 48:40

Your flow trigger. You gotta find their flow trigger.

Speaker 1: 48:43

Exactly because, in my eyes, if you medicate them now, you get rid of what's special. You get rid of that trigger because now they're medicated. So now they're just gonna sit there and be like, yeah, okay, whatever you say, whatever you want me to do, I'll do. Like, no, no, no, I want you to. I need to be able to find their trigger point, their focus point. Once I find that, then we could talk. We could work around all the other issues, but I need to find that.

Speaker 1: 49:15

And when I have my own video editing and digital or graphic design those two things. Video editing, graphic design all day, Athletics and things like that. No, Not his style, I don't care.

Speaker 2: 49:29

Okay, cool.

Speaker 1: 49:30

You're gonna do this. I want you to do a YouTube channel. As soon as you feel froggy, go do it. And he's like okay, mothers, still working on it, still finding their niche, but you find their niche and they will excel. You just gotta find it.

Speaker 2: 49:46

He's a special thinker.

Speaker 1: 49:47

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 49:48

Special thinker he thinks of paintings, arts, videos, lights, shapes, colors. Special thinker Well, amanda was saying she's a daydreamer. That's another thing that women do is daydream. They dream, they become adaptive. They're extremely smart, but they are extremely I think spacey.

Speaker 1: 50:08

I think spacey and those that are thought of as unintelligent and again, yes, there are some, and that's men and women. Both are fucking brain dead, but I think a lot when they daydream are thought of as spacey and unintelligent, when in reality it's just their mind is going in different places that you can't see.

Speaker 2: 50:33

Right, and for girls or women with ADHD it happens more often than someone who is not. Who doesn't? I mean, everybody will daydream. Everybody daydreams. About 20% doesn't have their internal monologue, but they daydream. But what was it called? But it is. But people with ADHD it just happens. It's just a noticeable amount more.

Speaker 1: 50:56

Yeah, so yeah, I will go off and literally be in my own mind. I will literally just go off and just as I'm talking to my wife, she'll say something that I'll like spawn a thought and I'll be gone and she'll keep talking and I'm like, yeah, okay, babe. Like I will literally just say things just because I know I hear her, but in reality in my head I'm not even there anymore, like at all. Just something she said triggered a thought that just sent me off in its hand.

Speaker 2: 51:29

Oh for a girl, they are so for any. Or also with let me get my thoughts together.

Speaker 1: 51:40

Is that ADHD brain man? Yeah right.

Speaker 2: 51:44

I wanted to get a girl on here as well so they can explain their experience. Like Amanda, I noticed she said before she had she had ADHD. I'm all like, oh, I wish I. I tried to get a Camiri, speaking of people from our past. I tried to get a Camiri Kim or a Kim.

Speaker 1: 52:02

Oh, dude, you should have told me I would've reached out to her.

Speaker 2: 52:05

No, she said. She said like she was busy so she couldn't make it.

Speaker 1: 52:10

Okay.

Speaker 2: 52:11

So I already tried, but yeah, Kim is awesome.

Speaker 1: 52:13

I love her.

Speaker 2: 52:14

Yeah, Kim, what is that?

Speaker 1: 52:17

Kylie, kylie, kylie.

Speaker 2: 52:18

Camiri Kylie Kim.

Speaker 1: 52:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 52:21

No, she's ADHD and I tried to get her on and I wanted to know, but she got busy. So what's it called? Amanda was saying well, for women they are. For a guy, it's very extrovert, they explode hyperactive. For a woman, it's a lot more emotional. For a woman with ADHD, they become hyper, fixated on. They have also emotional irregularities. Everybody, I mean both boys and girls, but it would be like for a girl that gets bumped into or they greet someone hey, how's it going? That person is like eh, then, like for Amanda, she would be thinking well, why did they respond to me like that? Did I do something wrong? Is there Matt, is there something I can do? And she gets fixated like all the way up until lunchtime. Then all of a sudden she completely forgets about it, but for that entire time that's the only thing that's in her head. What did I do? Why would I do that? Because they have trouble. What's it called regulating their emotions? It's emotional impulse control, that's-.

Speaker 1: 53:34

And Andrea, who is on her husband's account her phone probably died said yes, we are tied to our emotions and that is the. I think that is the biggest difference. The biggest difference between men and women is how they are tied to their emotions, and I talk about this a lot on the rest of my content. That I do is men have a problem expressing emotion in any way, shape or form and don't really regulate their emotions all that well, whereas women Well, when a guy Hides to their emotions and respond emotionally more frequently.

Speaker 2: 54:08

Well, when a guy expresses emotions they could be they often they get like it's. The people tend to say it's a blow up, it's either overly expressive in some ways, shape or form. Yeah, it's a blow up and then all of a sudden-.

Speaker 1: 54:23

Or anger or rage, or sadness, whatever.

Speaker 2: 54:26

Right and everybody would say, oh, it would scare a lot of people. So people would say I wish guys would be more in control or would emote more. But when we emote all of a sudden it's like, oh my God, this guy's a psycho.

Speaker 1: 54:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 54:39

So it's toxic masculinity. Then what? I heard a story of a girl. She had testosterone cream, like she put some on her arm like by mistake and next thing she knows she was extremely aroused and was just like anger and aroused by her boss and her coworker and she went into the restroom and she said what's wrong? And then she remembered oh yeah, I got that cream on me that had a full a guy's full dose of testosterone. That's when she realized guys are a lot more in control of their emotions than she gave them credit for, because if that was one day's worth, imagine a guy going through that day in and day out. That is, yeah, it is.

Speaker 1: 55:21

And again it's a different thought process. And this is how men and women are very different, even with ADHD, because, again, like Andrea said, they, a lot of their Brain power gets tied to emotion, whereas a lot of ours get tied to logic. And again, that's not to say women aren't logical, that's just to say men hold in their emotions and regulate their emotions until they blow up.

Speaker 2: 55:50

All right, all right, I'm gonna say this, remember tend to be Women, tend to be emotional, men tend to be logical. Again, if you were to make a bet, yes. I would be logical.

Speaker 1: 56:02

Again, it's a generalization. It's not all, it's a generalization.

Speaker 2: 56:06

There's extremes on both ends, I know.

Speaker 1: 56:08

Always is, whereas with women that react more emotionally, it makes it harder. And that is because, if you look at it, when you're looking at things like ADHD and how women daydream and how people do things and how women and men are different, that's the same in every regard, every way you look at it. Because of genetics, because of hormone levels, because of whatever you wanna call it, they're different and so, even with ADHD, to your point, boys will be rambunctious and run around and go crazy and all this other stuff. Girls will space out and daydream in this. At the third, In turn.

Speaker 1: 56:53

In the end result is always going to be the same, and this is what I look at as the end result. The end result is give them something to focus on. They're very different, but find their trigger, find their weakness, whatever it is, whatever you wanna call it, find that pressure point that'll get them to focus and both of those things will be gone.

Speaker 2: 57:19

Well, like I mentioned two things, that puts someone with ADHD in flow mode is something they're interested in and something dangerous, something that would have consequences if you don't do that Now, with women with ADHD and emotional control, they have three situations in which they which is another hurdle they have hormone shifts every month. They have hormone shifts when they're pregnant and they have hormone shifts that later on in their life menopause. That is what are we on. Number five, on another superpower people with ADHD that have trouble controlling their emotions is we are extremely empathic.

Speaker 2: 58:00

We understand what somebody else is going through or what they're feeling, and should approach thing Is because sometimes every once in a while we have that I have like emotional outrageous. But because I have those, I understand when someone's angry, when someone's sad. How to approach this, how to approach that, what's the best way to get them to listen to reason, because I understand what they're going through. My wife it's scared the hell out of my wife. She was years ago. She said someone at her hospital, a doctor, ended his life. He terminated early. And I'm all like, oh, that's a shame, isn't it? That scared the hell out of her the fact that I was able to blow it off. The thing is that she didn't understand that we come from a third battalion At the height of it. I did the math Within a two year span we had six self-terminations. Was it six? Yeah, it was six, six, okay, within a two year span, two. Interesting question.

Speaker 1: 59:11

Oops, you're watching one off too, yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:14

Two accidents? No, that was three accidents. And what was it called An attempt, an attempt, An attempt? The guy who was going to ask for this.

Speaker 1: 59:24

This one I will never, I will never forget, is the Humvee.

Speaker 2: 59:27

The Humvee. Yeah, I was part of that. I was the one behind it. So the thing is I was because of my emotions and I understood that situation. Like at first, I had a hard time with it. That was September 19th 2012. His name was Will. I saw the top of his head. I'm the one who called in to the police to get the people.

Speaker 1: 59:51

I was the humbussier.

Speaker 2: 59:52

I was on the Humvee behind him.

Speaker 1: 59:54

Time out. So I got to ask in everybody in chat right now, while most of them anyways know I deal very highly in men's mental health, how in the hell have you been able to process that process that for so long?

Speaker 2: 1:00:12

Well, it wasn't my first time, remember before, remember I said there was within a two year span, there was six and three accidents. That was one of them.

Speaker 1: 1:00:22

Right, but I'm talking about you seeing it. So did you see the rest or not?

Speaker 2: 1:00:26

No, I saw the guys. I could see his brain. I did that. He was missing this.

Speaker 1: 1:00:31

Yeah, you're talking about Willis, right? Will's, yeah, will's, yeah, yeah. So I'm talking about the rest, the rest that had happened. You were not there nor saw, so, being able to see Will's, how have you been able to process and deal with that for as long as you have? Because, for as long as I've known you, you have been a lot more grounded and able to deal with these situations than a lot of others have met.

Speaker 2: 1:00:57

So I can cope with it easier. I've had so much practice on it Like my ADHD mind can have that moment of emotional. I have practice coping. Yeah, I have practice coping. All right, I'm not saying I do it in a healthy way. My brother notices that I have an angry tip. When I'm thinking about what I'm angry, I'm like I don't notice I'm doing it, I hit my leg, I do it, I know I have one.

Speaker 2: 1:01:25

Yeah, he notices that I'm doing it and he says you're internalizing something I have to. He's recommending me processing that. Usually, when I'm doing that, I'm thinking of something that angers me. Yeah, but before you, even before you even got to third, there was even a murder. Why does that?

Speaker 1: 1:01:42

not shock me? Why does that not shock me?

Speaker 2: 1:01:44

So there was a murder. It got to the point where we were so good at the memorials, other people would come to third battalion for us to help them.

Speaker 1: 1:01:58

You know what the sad part about that is and look, and I do want to get back, we got to finish up this episode and we will get back to it and I know for those in chat understand me and AR go way back and we've dealt with a lot. I do want to say this is a final part for all my veterans out there and all those that have watched that I have been veterans or listening online Understand this. What third did and what third has done when we were there was completely under bullshit.

Speaker 2: 1:02:26

All right, he said third military information support battalion.

Speaker 1: 1:02:31

Third yeah, for those that don't know, they gave awards for doing memorial services, memorials, being there for your brothers and sisters that, in one way, shape or form, are no longer with us. That is something we did with honor and with pride, because they deserved better than what they got. It is not something that should have ever been awarded, ever, and the fact that the command thought, in the right mind, that this deserves an award, in my eyes, was completely under bullshit.

Speaker 2: 1:03:12

Here's something you might not know. Third battalion was an anomaly. People from other battalions called us slaughter battalion because we had so many self deletions and accidents.

Speaker 1: 1:03:24

Because we had the worst. I'm out. I can say what I want, but I'm gonna bite my tongue. So look, this is about cybersecurity. This is about ADHD. I'm gonna tie it up because I'm gonna lose my shit If I don't. They are, Please help anybody with ADHD, Anybody trying to hire someone with ADHD. Give your words of wisdom, give your advice. Let them know how it go.

Speaker 2: 1:03:50

People with ADHD think differently than what you might expect. That is an asset. If possible, get as many as you can, because they will give you insight and creativity and connections that you would never have thought of, even possible. They find somehow through a chain of events and thoughts and memories. They will connect to lead to either a solution, something new, something fresh, something innovative, something inspirational, to the point where it will make a major shift in your. It would cause a disruption.

Speaker 2: 1:04:37

So, people who think regularly as you would say, you do the same things over and over. You'll get the same results. People with ADHD don't think the same way and that will give you something. Okay, arash, you'll take new risks, you will have new insights, you will have new problem solving, new solutions to problems and an addition skills that another superpower people with ADHD, because our attention shifts so much. We are a jack of all trades, we have so many skills because we hyper focus on one skill. Then, a couple months later, another skill, another skill, and we'll have life experience that you wouldn't even think was necessary but will eventually somehow benefit you, one or another. It's chaotic, it's interesting. You'll get passion, you'll get enthusiasm, you get high energy, all that things.

Speaker 2: 1:05:37

So All right, I love it I didn't wanna end it on a bad note when we go back on the talk about no, we gotta end it positively.

Speaker 1: 1:05:45

We gotta end it positively. How's it note? So I will say this look, I love you all. You've all been amazing. Thank you for joining me this evening. Thank you for joining SARTANAR. I love you, brother. As always, this has been Security Happy Hour and, for those that don't know, you can always donate. Check the description on YouTube. This is up all the time. I don't get rid of any episodes. I'm up to like 140 something, maybe almost 150, so we're getting there. Otherwise, I love you all. You're all amazing. You all belong here and I really hope to find you all a succeeding and excelling in cybersecurity. I don't care what anybody says about you. You all deserve to be here.

Speaker 2: 1:06:25

Hey, tell Bizzle, it was good to see him too.

Speaker 1: 1:06:28

Take care and I will see you next week with another amazing episode.